What do you think about abortion

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Sad and true.

I don't want to read thru 27 pages, has the Texas abortion law been discussed? If not, then maybe that could warrant its own thread since I think it is an interesting discussion.

It's much ado about nothing.

Other states have as strict, or stricter, laws on the books and you see nothing being done about that or those laws being decried as a horrible affront to women's rights.

Exactly what I've been noticing.

It's pretty hilarious considering left wingers are essentially admitting regulation kills industry. The abortion industry is actually in desperate need of regulation in light of the fact that is more dangerous getting an abortion than giving birth and the disgusting Kermit Gosnell case. You have this idiots in Texas walking around with used tampons and jugs of piss to throw at people, they should look at themselves in the mirror sometimes and realize that they're own worst enemy. I can't help but laugh, the foaming at the mouth left made did the same thing in Wisconsin when it came to the new collective bargaining law. Democracy in action people.

It depends. I think it's only okay if both of these statements are true.
1. It's an unplanned pregnancy and you absolutely can't care for children enough to have them lead good lives.
2. The baby is still an embryo, not a fetus--it is terrible to abort it once it actually looks like a baby.

Conservatives are the ones that want to promote the idea that children are parasites. Hence why they want to deny them free health and education.

I, in my case consider an unwanted fetus a parasitic entity, because it grabs nutrients from the host and the host does not want it.


Conservatives firmly believe that human rights begin at conception and ends at birth. I think different, I think they begin at birth and end at death.

On point 1), what if it is a planned pregnancy, but your circumstances change? For example, you lose to use of your legs, you lose your job and default on your mortgage, your partner dies, you have a nervous breakdown.

Is it terrible to destroy statues of babies?

What if your mothers circumstances change after you're born? Is it okay to murder your child?

Convenience isn't an excuse for murder.

I disagree with your premise that abortion is murder.

Your data are not reflective of reality.
First, the 'regulations' you are descirbing are specifically designed to shut down abortion providers, not to make them safer; second, abortions are actually about ten times safer than giving birth. Third, Gosnell was the equivalent of a back-alley abortionist, taking women who could not afford to go through regular channels or who had been denied regular channels for one reason or another; if safe, legal abortion is restricted, you can expect to see more cases like him, not fewer.

I'd like to see hard proof of that with documentation that shows you've factored in the considerable number of physical, psychological and emotional side effects of abortion that are frequently swept under the rug by pro-choice advocates.

^ that a woman would choose all those side-effects over a pregnancy is one of my stronger arguments for being pro-choice.

If you don't like women having psychological side effects out of abortions, a good first step is to remove the stupid social stigma caused by so-called pro-life dogma.

In terms of sheer numbers of deaths, abortion is ten times safer than giving birth. If you want to discuss psychological impacts, at least do me the favor of not discussing the impacts on women as if you are trying to save a child from having to grow up; women, by definition, are adults capable of making difficult decisions for themselves. If they sometimes make decisions that they later regret - and the anti-abortion crowd pretends that this happens far, far more often than it actually does - then it is their right as adult humans to make that choice and to deal with the consequences as adults.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/16/2/gpr160213.html

Once it's born you can give it up for adoption. You can't give away an unborn fetus.