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02 Mar 2021, 12:55 am

But Disney acted on it after people on social media demanded it though. Doesn't it seem suspicious to be a corporate decision when it happened at the time they demanded it?

Plus Disney has a history of doing whatever people on social media say, hence why the last few Star Wars movies were so bad. So this whole firing stinks of Disney just doing what people on social media saying again.



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02 Mar 2021, 4:16 am

ironpony wrote:
But Disney acted on it after people on social media demanded it though. Doesn't it seem suspicious to be a corporate decision when it happened at the time they demanded it?

Plus Disney has a history of doing whatever people on social media say, hence why the last few Star Wars movies were so bad. So this whole firing stinks of Disney just doing what people on social media saying again.


Two different issues. The failure of the star wars trilogy under JJ Abrams/Kathleen Kennedy is now legend. Despite that Disney made money from the trilogy, the bad ratings would have hurt the Mandalorian series so they asked Lucas to come back and largely sidelined the role of KK and JJ.

The removal of Carano was a business decision. It's no different from Disney throwing once popular child star Bella Thorne who was broke when Disney tossed her out. Fans claimed Disney didn't want to be associated with Thorne after she openly said she was molested as a child. But as her career transformed to the point that she's now a porn star so perhaps Disney knew something that wasn't public knowledge about her liability to the company. Gina Carano is no different, she would have been a liability to the star wars franchise if they kept her on. It's just business.



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02 Mar 2021, 4:33 am

ironpony wrote:
But Disney acted on it after people on social media demanded it though. Doesn't it seem suspicious to be a corporate decision when it happened at the time they demanded it?

Plus Disney has a history of doing whatever people on social media say, hence why the last few Star Wars movies were so bad. So this whole firing stinks of Disney just doing what people on social media saying again.


I thought that is how cancel culture worked. :scratch:



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02 Mar 2021, 4:35 am

Ah yes, if you are a porn store, companies can drop you. There is something against sex workers society has against them.


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02 Mar 2021, 4:44 am

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Ah yes, if you are a porn store, companies can drop you. There is something against sex workers society has against them.


Well it doesn't fit with Disney's squeaky clean child-friendly image.



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02 Mar 2021, 5:49 am

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But I don't think all republicans are fanatics, are they? Can't you be a republican without being a fanatic fascist?


I fixed it for you. :mrgreen:

No, not all republicans are the same.
But I think you are missing what is actually happening here.

The left side of politics is using 'tactics'.
One of those tactics is to create 'binaries'.
I.E.
All Republicans are bad.
All Democrats are good.

Clearly, this is self-evident nonsense.
So Why do they do it?

My best guess is that it is a form of brainwashing.
Say something often enough and people will get used to the idea and accept it.
Studies have been done on this and it isn't a new strategy.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Joseph Goebbels
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jo ... g-lie-quot


Well what I don't understand is, why is there so much hate between right and left, I don't understand why they can't agree to disagree and get along even if they disgaree. It seems that Derek Chauvin started all this hate last year, and someone that murder became a right and left issue somehow, but how?

Perhaps the left and right had hate towards each other before that, but Chauvin certainly exculated it by a lot. But how did that escalate it and why?


During the Vietnam era it was this bad. Parents who fought in WWII disowned their antiwar children. After National Guardsmen killed 4 students at Kent State and colleges closed early due to protests when students arrived home they were often told "too bad they did not kill all of them". Nixon was called a Nazi, some returning soldiers were spat on and called baby killers. Unlike now politicians would bash each other during the day, but at night go to a get bar drunk and make a deal.

Many point to the nomination of Robert Bork in 1988 to the Supreme Court as the beginning of the cycle of escalation. Prior to that, the only reason for rejecting a nominee was corruption or the person just being not qualified. Bork was rejected on ideological grounds. IMHO while the Bork rejection was important the wounds opened up in the 60s never healed they were just ignored. By the 90s you had a definite big-time Clintons derangement syndrome and the emergence of conservative talk radio and Fox News. With Bush in the 2000s conservatives said liberals were traitors for opposing the Iraq War, and on the internet seemingly no political thread would be complete without conservatives being called racists and morons or both. Politicians were not talking to each other much.


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02 Mar 2021, 4:45 pm

Oh okay I see. But how did Chauvin escalate the tensions, though since the murder he commited did not seem to be politically motivated, so why are both sides taking it as a political thing therefore?



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02 Mar 2021, 4:56 pm

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Oh okay I see. But how did Chauvin escalate the tensions, though since the murder he commited did not seem to be politically motivated, so why are both sides taking it as a political thing therefore?


I have lost track.
Has he been convicted of murder?



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02 Mar 2021, 5:07 pm

Well I meant the homicide he committed, I guess if it hasn't been determined as murder yet, if that is what you mean?



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02 Mar 2021, 5:21 pm

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Well I meant the homicide he committed, I guess if it hasn't been determined as murder yet, if that is what you mean?


Did he commit a 'Homicide'?
Has the court case been closed?



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02 Mar 2021, 5:28 pm

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Well I meant the homicide he committed, I guess if it hasn't been determined as murder yet, if that is what you mean?


Did he commit a 'Homicide'?
Has the court case been closed?


Yes, he committed a homicide even if he isn't judged to bear criminal responsibility. Homicide is the proper term to refer to when one person kills another.



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02 Mar 2021, 6:50 pm

When I say he committed a murder, I am going by my opinion rather than within the legal system, but that is my opinion, and I was wondering how and why the homicide caused a huge riff between the political parties.



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03 Mar 2021, 12:17 am

I see comedian Bill Burr (somebody who's comedy I enjoy) has defended Gina Carano.

One of the odd things is if Gina is such a "sweetheart" (as Bill claims) then why did she run to Bill Shapiro for support who is happy to wear the monocle of being a far-right radical?

reminds of ex-academic Lindsay Shepard who was fired for demonstrating whether using trans pronouns is valid. She turned from a mild mannered pretty associate to becoming a frothing far-right activist.

Perhaps both organisations (Disney and Wilfred Laurier University) had valid reasons for dismissing both given they aren't exactly the type of people any major organisation would want to be associated with? Again common sense prevailed.



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03 Mar 2021, 12:27 am

ironpony wrote:
When I say he committed a murder, I am going by my opinion rather than within the legal system, but that is my opinion, and I was wondering how and why the homicide caused a huge riff between the political parties.


It always fascinates me when people jump to conclusions.
When the court decisions have been made, the court decisions will have been made.

Whatever decision that will be, be assured many will disagree. 8)

Why are we talking about this in this thread? :scratch:



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03 Mar 2021, 1:51 am

I've only watched about a dozen of Doomcock's videos in the past, not being a big fan of his presentation style, but he does seem to have sources that turn out to be reliable, and he indicates what is rumour\unverified, rather than merging it with reliable information...



It will be interesting to see if Ms Dawson is targetted by the cancel "twits" in the coming weeks, as suggested here.



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03 Mar 2021, 4:56 am

Brictoria wrote:
I've only watched about a dozen of Doomcock's videos in the past, not being a big fan of his presentation style, but he does seem to have sources that turn out to be reliable, and he indicates what is rumour\unverified, rather than merging it with reliable information...



It will be interesting to see if Ms Dawson is targetted by the cancel "twits" in the coming weeks, as suggested here.


I think the conspiracies around Kathleen Kennedy trying to sabotage Favreau by getting Gina Carano sacked might be premature. I don't think Cara Dune was that popular a character. The prominent ones are Asoka Tano, Mando and Moff Gideon and Graef Karga. If you look at IDMB Cara Dune is listed as being in 7 episodes so she appears frequently yet her character is largely forgettable.