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09 Aug 2007, 10:34 am

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Well, you do have a point there. When we choose Christ, we're told to "count the cost" (even though many skip that advice). You aren't responsible for the way you were born, so the persecution is more of an affliction for you than for me, in that sense. But in another sense, I have to struggle to hold onto my morality under fire, whereas you are guarunteed to be what you are, regardless -- you neither have to stand up, nor have to worry about giving up: you'll ALWAYS be this way. So, in that sense, you have more assurance than me, because I have to watch out that I don't fall away from God (sin) when the world pressures me to, whereas you have no "sin" (deviation from being how you were born) possible.

So, I have to conciously hold the line. You just have to stay alive, which should be rather easy.


this is utter nonsense!

how does being gay aobsolve you of being responsible for your morality? m and how exactly does homosexuality garantee her not to fall away from god?

what are you talking about?

do you mean BECAUSE she's not christian? that's the only thing i can fathom... though you're being very unclear if that's the case

cause it sounds like you're claimin your only issue you have to deal with is morality and all she has to deal with is sexuality (as if morals just dont apply to her because she's gay)


You have a lot of trouble with analogies, don't you? Of course gays are responsible for their morality -- I'm not talking about their morality, I'm talking about my morality, versus their gayness. They can't accidentally lose their gayness, whereas I can stumble in a moment of temptation and temporarily lose my morality -- or, if I became VERY discouraged, I could permanently lose my morality. I have to worry about holding onto my morality while it's being attacked, whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:35 am

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No, I meant that women are made to match with men. I see where the wording confused you. Women always have been better at felatio than men, and always will be, IMHO.


oh!

ok lol /sheep

i was thinking cause guys have similar parts

im sorry :oops:

way too many quotes ect lol

now you're making more sense on that topic!


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09 Aug 2007, 10:36 am

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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?



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09 Aug 2007, 10:37 am

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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?

And also, there's no 'danger' of me losing my 'gayness' because so what if I did? I'd then be straight or bi or whatever else. Not a problem. Losing 'gayness' isn't really a big deal. Losing morality is.



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09 Aug 2007, 10:41 am

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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?


Follow my wording carefully.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:42 am

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Well, you do have a point there. When we choose Christ, we're told to "count the cost" (even though many skip that advice). You aren't responsible for the way you were born, so the persecution is more of an affliction for you than for me, in that sense. But in another sense, I have to struggle to hold onto my morality under fire, whereas you are guarunteed to be what you are, regardless -- you neither have to stand up, nor have to worry about giving up: you'll ALWAYS be this way. So, in that sense, you have more assurance than me, because I have to watch out that I don't fall away from God (sin) when the world pressures me to, whereas you have no "sin" (deviation from being how you were born) possible.

So, I have to conciously hold the line. You just have to stay alive, which should be rather easy.


this is utter nonsense!

how does being gay aobsolve you of being responsible for your morality? m and how exactly does homosexuality garantee her not to fall away from god?

what are you talking about?

do you mean BECAUSE she's not christian? that's the only thing i can fathom... though you're being very unclear if that's the case

cause it sounds like you're claimin your only issue you have to deal with is morality and all she has to deal with is sexuality (as if morals just dont apply to her because she's gay)


You have a lot of trouble with analogies, don't you? Of course gays are responsible for their morality -- I'm not talking about their morality, I'm talking about my morality, versus their gayness. They can't accidentally lose their gayness, whereas I can stumble in a moment of temptation and temporarily lose my morality -- or, if I became VERY discouraged, I could permanently lose my morality. I have to hold onto my morality, while it's being attacked, whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.


you know... i do just fine with analogies... you are not a very clear writer (thinker?)

by saying she can never lose her gayness........ why would she want to/how could she REALLY live in a christian lifestyle?

why would you have morals then... if you really thought deep down you were just a total sinful being...

i said you're confusing cause this is a terrible analogy to begin with... and like i said, you cant compare your morality to her gayness cause you're describing your morality as something malleable whereas her status is not... that's something you've conceded

you make terrible analogies so i work with what you give me (along with poor writing.... get off that blackberry and get to a real pc!)


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09 Aug 2007, 10:43 am

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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?

And also, there's no 'danger' of me losing my 'gayness' because so what if I did? I'd then be straight or bi or whatever else. Not a problem. Losing 'gayness' isn't really a big deal. Losing morality is.


That fits into my point that you're attacked for an arbitrary attraction, whereas I'm attacked on more dangerous grounds.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:43 am

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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?


Follow my wording carefully.

I did.
And?



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09 Aug 2007, 10:44 am

Sopho wrote:
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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?


yeah his analogy is very weak cause he misses the point that by accepting christianity he's expecting you to loose that gayness...

much like he struggles to keep his morality


so he has no point, really


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09 Aug 2007, 10:45 am

Ragtime wrote:
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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?

And also, there's no 'danger' of me losing my 'gayness' because so what if I did? I'd then be straight or bi or whatever else. Not a problem. Losing 'gayness' isn't really a big deal. Losing morality is.


That fits into my point that you're attacked for an arbitrary attraction, whereas I'm attacked on more dangerous grounds.

It's your problem if you have some weakness there and being attacked causes you to somehow lose your morality.
My point was that you're 'attacked' over something which you chose. Whereas people who are gay are attacked over something they have no control over and often at a time when they're confused about it themselves to begin with, which doesn't help (school).



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09 Aug 2007, 10:46 am

Sedaka wrote:
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Well, you do have a point there. When we choose Christ, we're told to "count the cost" (even though many skip that advice). You aren't responsible for the way you were born, so the persecution is more of an affliction for you than for me, in that sense. But in another sense, I have to struggle to hold onto my morality under fire, whereas you are guarunteed to be what you are, regardless -- you neither have to stand up, nor have to worry about giving up: you'll ALWAYS be this way. So, in that sense, you have more assurance than me, because I have to watch out that I don't fall away from God (sin) when the world pressures me to, whereas you have no "sin" (deviation from being how you were born) possible.

So, I have to conciously hold the line. You just have to stay alive, which should be rather easy.


this is utter nonsense!

how does being gay aobsolve you of being responsible for your morality? m and how exactly does homosexuality garantee her not to fall away from god?

what are you talking about?

do you mean BECAUSE she's not christian? that's the only thing i can fathom... though you're being very unclear if that's the case

cause it sounds like you're claimin your only issue you have to deal with is morality and all she has to deal with is sexuality (as if morals just dont apply to her because she's gay)


You have a lot of trouble with analogies, don't you? Of course gays are responsible for their morality -- I'm not talking about their morality, I'm talking about my morality, versus their gayness. They can't accidentally lose their gayness, whereas I can stumble in a moment of temptation and temporarily lose my morality -- or, if I became VERY discouraged, I could permanently lose my morality. I have to hold onto my morality, while it's being attacked, whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.


you know... i do just fine with analogies... you are not a very clear writer (thinker?)

by saying she can never lose her gayness........ why would she want to/how could she REALLY live in a christian lifestyle?

why would you have morals then... if you really thought deep down you were just a total sinful being...

i said you're confusing cause this is a terrible analogy to begin with... and like i said, you cant compare your morality to her gayness cause you're describing your morality as something malleable whereas her status is not... that's something you've conceded

you make terrible analogies so i work with what you give me (along with poor writing.... get off that blackberry and get to a real pc!)


You can't easily seperate poor writing from poor reading. (You can't easily assign blame there.) Strength in either department can help to compensate, and weakness in either department will weaken the communication.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:48 am

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Precisely "how" they're better at sucking cock is inelocutable, of course, but I think it's still true.

How could you ever know that?


How could YOU ever know that God doesn't exist? :P

I also ask that question

How can you know that God doesn't exist
and
How can you know that God does exist.

It's up to Ragtime to answer the second one. I don't claim to know a god doesn't exist.


You claim to know it enough to be sure. To put it more realistically: Your certainty outweighs the horrors of Hell.


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09 Aug 2007, 10:50 am

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you still havent explained why the feminine form is so artistic.... if it's common knowledge... you should at least be able to explain why....


Oh, so now I'm supposed to explain art? You can't fully explain any art: you either see it, or you don't.

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i am not tired.... my brain is much more efficient than yours

Okay, whatever, I was just trying to give you a helpful recommendation.


for the umptheeth million time....... you miss the point

you focus on winning so many little points that you fail to see that when i toss out a little point it's pretty much in jest

the point was... i was trying to make you give some sort of effort to disprove cal's point that your approval of the feminine figure is purely hormonal

that's why i asked you to use some sort of artistic critiquing.....

i never really expected you to do so cause i know you havent really given it any real artistic thought (and you not doing such inderectly proves my point)

so go ahead and ignore it.

i dont really care

i think the human form is very artistic an i could rant for hours about it... i sneak into figure drawing classes all the time

but to say either male or female is more artistic is purely subjective and personal opinion... to say otherwise (especially if it's so common knowledge as you claim, would take explaining, which you obviously can't do)


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09 Aug 2007, 10:51 am

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You claim to know it enough to be sure.

No I don't. I either know it or I don't. And I don't. I never claim to somehow know there is no god. And I can't half-know it.

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To put it more realistically: Your certainty outweighs the horrors of Hell.

What?
I don't believe in a hell. And even if I did, I still wouldn't change the way I live to avoid it, if what you say is true.



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09 Aug 2007, 10:53 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Ragtime wrote:
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how do you and all the other christians know your god is the one true god
what if the witches got it right after all


I'm sure.


again...

not any moreso than any other poius person of any other faith


Yet only one is true. Either Jesus is the only way, as He claimed He is, or He isn't. This is true despite how sure others are against it.


why cause JESUS says so?

you cannot say this in an objective manner.... you can know it for yourself... sure... but that's the extent cause you could be wrong... even though you know you arent...


I'm stating a fact, not proving it. God's shown me that He's real -- not just real for me, but actually, truly, real.


if it's fact.... then it's not faith and you've managed to destory the whole principle of religion

sorry... but it is not a fact...


As I've explained before, there's faith AND knowledge in Christianity; otherwise we wouldn't have the Bible, we'd just blindly believe in an amorphic spirituality like "New Age" people. The Bible is the owner's manual to Christianity, so, just like a mechanic doesn't use "blind faith" to work on his car, but refers to specific schematics, so do we Christians refer to the Bible to tune-up our Christian beliefs.


whatever YOU believe... that still doesnt make the bible FACT.... there are factual things within it... but that is circumstanial evidence for anything of any spiritual worth within it

so you're still incorrect in your claim


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09 Aug 2007, 10:55 am

Ragtime wrote:
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whereas Sopho will be gay no matter how many people attack her -- she's not in danger of losing it.

That's not what you usually say. What happened to the 'people choose their sexuality' BS?


Follow my wording carefully.


you choose to act on it... but if you pray... god makes it go away (like he answers ALL prayers, lol)


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