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14 Jun 2012, 7:38 pm

@ JWC

Without income redistribution, a single person will end up with everything. Money generates money, spontaneously the only stable situation is a single person having everything. We will all become slaves to him. In practice, we would have a war instead before that.

On a different level. This remain true for states too. In the EU, there isn't enough redistribution, this is why we are in a deep systemic crisis. If the system is left to physics, Germany will end up buying up everything. Of course this is not going to happen, either fiscal union (redistribution) happens, or unilateral defaults(you would call it theft).


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14 Jun 2012, 8:50 pm

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My parents found new jobs in the US, and there are better educational opportunities as well.


Apparently your folks made a trade-off. Somewhat better opportunities in exchange for frustrating and infuriating American governance. So it goes. One never get 100 percent of what one wishes to have.

I am a United Statesean. I think the folks in this country are (by and large) a pretty decent bunch. I like it here. But I find our government raises my blood pressure from time to time. So it goes. The United States can use a great deal of improvement in the way it governs itself.

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I don't feel qualified enough to criticize the government on specific terms, seeing how little I learned in my US Government class. But I do know that it has made MANY wrong choices, like in immigration policies, as I have pointed out.


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14 Jun 2012, 9:13 pm

It's just boring. I also hate Stephen Harper.


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14 Jun 2012, 9:17 pm

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While that is true getting rid of all poverty will not elimate crime all together.


No it won't There are crazy or bad people who will do wickedly independent of their material condition. You have completely discounted the fact of evil.

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14 Jun 2012, 10:20 pm

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Explain to me how welfare programs benefit those who don't need it, but are forced to pay for it.


It's quite simple.

Economic studies (for example: http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com ... ycrime.php ) have demonstrated that when incidents of reported crime within a community are subject to regression against a variety of independent variables, the strongest linkages to crime is the percentage of people living in poverty.

Every dollar that we spend on income assistance is a dollar that goes towards crime prevention.


I think at some point crime will be the least of our worries. In this day and age I'd be more concerned about riots and political instability. This is because there is literally no unowned land left for poor people to squat on or grown their own food. People are dependent on an income source to survive today. If the distribution system is broken so that a large segment of society literally cannot sustain itself, society itself will break down. The path of least resistance will be for the government to intervene in some way. Capitalism cannot thrive in a violent unstable society.



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14 Jun 2012, 10:48 pm

What I dislike about America the most is this positive and negative attitude fanaticism instead of actually looking at facts no matter if they are positive or negative. I hate that my attitude is literally considered "more important than the facts. I saw this in a public middle school and I was astonished.



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14 Jun 2012, 11:10 pm

marshall wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
JWC wrote:
Explain to me how welfare programs benefit those who don't need it, but are forced to pay for it.


It's quite simple.

Economic studies (for example: http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com ... ycrime.php ) have demonstrated that when incidents of reported crime within a community are subject to regression against a variety of independent variables, the strongest linkages to crime is the percentage of people living in poverty.

Every dollar that we spend on income assistance is a dollar that goes towards crime prevention.


I think at some point crime will be the least of our worries. In this day and age I'd be more concerned about riots and political instability. This is because there is literally no unowned land left for poor people to squat on or grown their own food. People are dependent on an income source to survive today. If the distribution system is broken so that a large segment of society literally cannot sustain itself, society itself will break down. The path of least resistance will be for the government to intervene in some way. Capitalism cannot thrive in a violent unstable society.


Yeah exactly....sad thing is sh*ts probably going to hit the fan regardless of what anyone does now. Maybe I am just paranoid but it seems lighters are less full, sodas are less carbonated, junk food is less filling and bags/boxes of it are less full, prices are higher and the tap water is bad for you. But that aside things will collapse if people don't have access to income or the means to live on.


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15 Jun 2012, 1:40 am

What I like about America is that it is the promised land for so many. I also like the way the government gave away land to settlers. Optimism. I also like American houses. I like interstate highway systems, libraries, internet, digital television. It's easy to have my needs met, whatever they are. Plenty to choose from.

What I dislike about it is what it's becoming. People are increasingly pessimistic, depending on where you live. No one believes in free land anymore. Land gets higher and higher. Even cheap land that was once easily within reach is getting more expensive while urban housing devalues. It's better to learn living off the land these days and that can only be accomplished on a homestead, not in a suburban neighborhood or city. My fear is so many people will have the same idea, land will get more expensive to keep up with demand. Maybe at one point, so much land will be bought up, whenever a parcel goes on the market, it will be coveted by so many buyers, the price will be so high only millionaires on up will be able to afford it. Kind of like how it is in California.


People are too negative. Americans have lost that sense of unity.

I dislike the drug culture. People seem to be sinking into drug dependency more and more everyday. Especially narcotics that zap their energy and make them grouchy. It leads to apathy. I dislike the marijuana culture most of all. Then there's the low quality food that's being churned out this day by industry. The fact that many bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics. People do not like questioning the status quo as much as they did before. People do not want to face reality, just live in a drug induced haze where they can pretend everything will go on the way it is now for all eternity.



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15 Jun 2012, 2:46 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What I like about America is that it is the promised land for so many. I also like the way the government gave away land to settlers. Optimism. I also like American houses. I like interstate highway systems, libraries, internet, digital television. It's easy to have my needs met, whatever they are. Plenty to choose from.

What I dislike about it is what it's becoming. People are increasingly pessimistic, depending on where you live. No one believes in free land anymore. Land gets higher and higher. Even cheap land that was once easily within reach is getting more expensive while urban housing devalues. It's better to learn living off the land these days and that can only be accomplished on a homestead, not in a suburban neighborhood or city. My fear is so many people will have the same idea, land will get more expensive to keep up with demand. Maybe at one point, so much land will be bought up, whenever a parcel goes on the market, it will be coveted by so many buyers, the price will be so high only millionaires on up will be able to afford it. Kind of like how it is in California.


People are too negative. Americans have lost that sense of unity.

I dislike the drug culture. People seem to be sinking into drug dependency more and more everyday. Especially narcotics that zap their energy and make them grouchy. It leads to apathy. I dislike the marijuana culture most of all. Then there's the low quality food that's being churned out this day by industry. The fact that many bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics. People do not like questioning the status quo as much as they did before. People do not want to face reality, just live in a drug induced haze where they can pretend everything will go on the way it is now for all eternity.


Strange most marijuana smokers I have talked to certainly do not pretend everything is dandy and will go on just like it is, most seem pretty aware of a lot of the current issues, smoking just helps one stay calm about it...at least in my experience. It's the people who drink and make idiots of themselves that piss me off, I mean some peoples life is go to work all week get wasted an make an ass of yourself on the weekend and do it again.......that is not a very good life style in my opinion. But to each their own, seriously though I think its more the media that tries to make cannabis smokers look bad by hardcore promoting all the stupid stereotypes. I agree with you on the food thing though.


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15 Jun 2012, 12:50 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
marshall wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
JWC wrote:
Explain to me how welfare programs benefit those who don't need it, but are forced to pay for it.


It's quite simple.

Economic studies (for example: http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com ... ycrime.php ) have demonstrated that when incidents of reported crime within a community are subject to regression against a variety of independent variables, the strongest linkages to crime is the percentage of people living in poverty.

Every dollar that we spend on income assistance is a dollar that goes towards crime prevention.


I think at some point crime will be the least of our worries. In this day and age I'd be more concerned about riots and political instability. This is because there is literally no unowned land left for poor people to squat on or grown their own food. People are dependent on an income source to survive today. If the distribution system is broken so that a large segment of society literally cannot sustain itself, society itself will break down. The path of least resistance will be for the government to intervene in some way. Capitalism cannot thrive in a violent unstable society.


Yeah exactly....sad thing is sh*ts probably going to hit the fan regardless of what anyone does now. Maybe I am just paranoid but it seems lighters are less full, sodas are less carbonated, junk food is less filling and bags/boxes of it are less full, prices are higher and the tap water is bad for you. But that aside things will collapse if people don't have access to income or the means to live on.


I think part of the problem is the US has been spoiled with unprecedented wealth and prosperity compared to much of the rest of the world from the 1950s up until now. All the technology and division of labor has made it too easy for the average individual to survive on their own with the foolish perception that their livelihood is a self-made island. Only a minority of our nation knows what it is to truly suffer and the rest have grown fat and arrogant, thinking they have no responsibility whatsoever to their fellow man. People are just way too self-absorbed and insulated and just don't get it.



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25 Jun 2012, 9:39 pm

1) The religious right
2) Fox News and pundits
3) Jersey Shore, Kardashians, etc
4) hatred against gay people
5) politicians who don't know anything about politics.
6) Lack of common sense and courtesy.


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26 Jun 2012, 9:34 pm

I really dislike reality tv it is just garbage.



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26 Jun 2012, 9:48 pm

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I really dislike reality tv it is just garbage.


Agreed. It's so.....scripted.


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26 Jun 2012, 9:50 pm

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Joker wrote:
I really dislike reality tv it is just garbage.


Agreed. It's so.....scripted.


Tell me about it and it's dull and boring makes people stupid.



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27 Jun 2012, 10:03 am

She explains things beater then me.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6NQKHd70[/youtube]


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