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23 Jul 2013, 1:25 pm

hanyo wrote:

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What if your mothers circumstances change after you're born? Is it okay to murder your child?

Convenience isn't an excuse for murder.

Once it's born you can give it up for adoption. You can't give away an unborn fetus.

Yeah, but who'll take the child in?

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23 Jul 2013, 1:33 pm

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Yeah, but who'll take the child in?

With newborns, especially healthy ones, there is always someone out there that is infertile and would want it. That would be a problem with older kids though, especially ones with problems. They would probably end up in some kind of foster home.

That is all the more reason to get rid of it now while it's still a little blob of cells or a little baby that people can bond with and raise like it's their own.

There is a huge difference between killing someone that is already here and killing something that is still growing in the mother and unable to live outside her body.

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23 Jul 2013, 2:12 pm

hanyo wrote:

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Yeah, but who'll take the child in?

With newborns, especially healthy ones, there is always someone out there that is infertile and would want it.

What would that child have to provide for them? Think about it. Humans have wants and desires.

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23 Jul 2013, 4:02 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:

hanyo wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

What if your mothers circumstances change after you're born? Is it okay to murder your child?

Convenience isn't an excuse for murder.

Once it's born you can give it up for adoption. You can't give away an unborn fetus.

Yeah, but who'll take the child in?

the foster care system.

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23 Jul 2013, 4:14 pm

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What amuses me most about these types of discussions is when people continuously attempt to present equivalent situations to being pregnant.
In truth, there's no other scenario wherein another person is directly hooked into your body's biological resources for their continuing survival.
At no point will I ever be required to sacrifice my body for the well-being of another person, regardless of whether or not I'm "responsible" for the current condition of said other person. I may be compelled by law to provide money, or I might forfeit my freedom, but my body's biological processes will forever remain my own. Period.
I will never have to surrender control of my blood, organs, ect. Never. Hence, if it's dependent on my body to live, it lives or dies at my discretion. I find the entire concept of "fetal rights" utterly ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity, how many in this discussion actually are females who have been pregnant..?

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23 Jul 2013, 4:18 pm

Bitoku wrote:

My wife is pro-life. She's also been pregnant. Does this mean your opinion on abortion holds no weight when pitted against hers?

And on that note, just out of curiosity, how many in this discussion actually are females who have been pregnant..?

I have been twice. I did 1 adoption and 1 abortion.

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23 Jul 2013, 4:22 pm

Bitoku wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how many in this discussion actually are females who have been pregnant..?

People never fail to bring that one up. Yes, I'm a guy, I get it, but I still have a brain and some ability to empathize don't I? Besides, discussions are as much about learning than about teaching, how would I ever learn if I were just dismissed like you are implying with your post?

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23 Jul 2013, 4:56 pm

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Actually I'm male and consider my opinion on abortion to be valid. It was the poster I quoted that seemed to possibly be saying that the opinions of people who haven't been pregnant might not matter as much as those who have. So I'll just assume you meant to direct that towards XFilesGeek instead...

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23 Jul 2013, 5:00 pm

Ok. She hasn't invalidated anyone, or at least not that I've noticed, so it's good.

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23 Jul 2013, 8:46 pm

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Not invalid but I do think a lot of the guys posting opinions here really have absolutely no idea, and no clue what it is actually like to go through either option or both first hand. There is just nothing to compare, and without that crucial experience or information, it makes things difficult. Intellectual understanding is one thing. Going through the entire thing physically, emotionally and mentally yourself is a completely different story.

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23 Jul 2013, 9:57 pm

Kjas wrote:

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I'm male also and can totally understand that there's no possible way I can truly sympathize with women on this issue. I lack the capacity to understand the rigors of pregnancy both mentally and physically, nor would I presume to tell a woman what she can/can't do with her body.

What I AM, however, is a human being concerned with the right to life of other human beings. It's not so much that right-to-lifers want to tell women what to do with their own bodies. It's about telling people what they can NOT do with the bodies of other human beings.

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23 Jul 2013, 10:48 pm

AngelRho wrote:

It's not so much that right-to-lifers want to tell women what to do with their own bodies. It's about telling people what they can NOT do with the bodies of other human beings.

Unfortunately in this case it's not possible to do the latter without the former.

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24 Jul 2013, 1:33 am

Anybody who calls pregnancy an 'inconvenience' needs to shut up and listen a little bit more.

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24 Jul 2013, 8:33 am

FMX wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

It's not so much that right-to-lifers want to tell women what to do with their own bodies. It's about telling people what they can NOT do with the bodies of other human beings.

Unfortunately in this case it's not possible to do the latter without the former.

Indeed. And I'd say that the alternative that preserves every life involved is to be preferred.

And that's why my position can't consistently hold up under exceptional cases, particularly with respect to rape (victim was denied a choice) and certain peril to the mother (self-defense). I don't "like" abortion in either case, since it means that human life is destroyed. But I don't "like" the idea of women being sexually assaulted or the idea that people cause others harm willfully or accidentally. I don't "like" that a baby would be killed if a woman aborted to save her own life, but I wouldn't "like" it if a woman died to save her baby...and I'd "like" it even less if a woman tried to have a baby only for both mother and baby to die in the process.

I don't like it because either way the death of a human being is an inevitable outcome. In order to preserve justice, however, I don't see how the option can be fully eliminated if it is determinable that the circumstances are truly exceptional, and I believe that rape/life endangerment circumstances are the only circumstances anyone can reasonably accept for causing the destruction of the unborn.

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24 Jul 2013, 8:40 am

One problem in allowing abortion if it was rape, how do you know the person wanting the abortion is telling the truth? Not everyone that gets raped reports it to the police so their lack of reporting it doesn't mean it didn't happen, plus by the time they even know that they are pregnant there is no physical evidence left, except for the baby.

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24 Jul 2013, 11:59 am

AngelRho wrote:

What I AM, however, is a human being concerned with the right to life of other human beings. It's not so much that right-to-lifers want to tell women what to do with their own bodies. It's about telling people what they can NOT do with the bodies of other human beings.

I have right to privacy, which means it's none of your business what I do with my body, even if another human being is growing inside it, that still counts as mine.

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