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29 Jun 2022, 7:55 am

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Those are good points. Well when it comes to the idea of a sex strike for example, when I have sex, and I rely on the condoms and birth control, hoping that will be enough for the job. I don't rely on maybe the woman will be willing to abort, and the government being there to assist her. So since I am willing to take the risk that abortion may not happen, and relying 100 percent on the contraceptives, can't other people do this as well and still have sex?


Condoms and birth control can fail, say this happened with you and your gf and she didn't want to keep it. It doesn't really matter if you'd be ok with taking the risk to keep it, she should still have the option of abortion if she doesn't want it. and I'd hope you'd support her decision either way.

Though in a Red state in the U.S if you disagreed you could try and report her for seeking abortion to force her to keep it. (I don't think you would do that) but men who want to control their partner might. Unfortunately, that is the reality in some places in the U.S now.


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29 Jun 2022, 8:00 am

The 4th amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizure and with search warrents and how they are issued. Warrents are issued by a judge and must have probable cause. You can see this played out on various crime shows, like Law and Order. These procedures should be followed when enforcing state laws. Each state can make it's own laws as long as they do not violate the US Constitution or Bill of Rights.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:04 am

We have to take it by a state-by-state basis.

I'm pro-choice----and nothing can sway me from that stance. Just like you're pro-life, and nothing to sway you from that stance.

There are many people over history who have had justifiable abortions, which would be illegal in some states now.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:17 am

Oh am I pro-life? I thought I was kind of undecided on the issue, depending on the circumstances.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:19 am

SpiralingCrow wrote:
The 4th amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizure and with search warrents and how they are issued. Warrents are issued by a judge and must have probable cause. You can see this played out on various crime shows, like Law and Order. These procedures should be followed when enforcing state laws. Each state can make it's own laws as long as they do not violate the US Constitution or Bill of Rights.


Oh okay. But how much prior evidence would be needed bare minimum, to get a warrant to search a woman's uterus area for further evidence though?



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29 Jun 2022, 8:29 am

I certainly hope such a warrant never is issued.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:31 am

Hopefully not. But since we are talking about being inducted for murder, the search warrant requirements should be talked about I feel therefore.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:35 am

ironpony wrote:
SpiralingCrow wrote:
The 4th amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizure and with search warrents and how they are issued. Warrents are issued by a judge and must have probable cause. You can see this played out on various crime shows, like Law and Order. These procedures should be followed when enforcing state laws. Each state can make it's own laws as long as they do not violate the US Constitution or Bill of Rights.


Oh okay. But how much prior evidence would be needed bare minimum, to get a warrant to search a woman's uterus area for further evidence though?


I think it would be for medical records, phone records, search of home. A judge would need to be presented with some sort of probable cause to issue a warrent, like a witness willing to testify they heard her say she wanted an abortion.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:40 am

I don't feel miscarriages should be prosecuted----ever.

I find the whole concept ridiculous.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:48 am

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I don't feel miscarriages should be prosecuted----ever.

I find the whole concept ridiculous.


I do too.

Unfortunately, the country is so polarized and in such political disarray. Things are changing quickly and not necessarily for the better. It's hard not to imagine these worst case scenerios.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:50 am

Plus a thorough attack of the girl / woman's mental health history, and her emotions during pregnancy.

Criminal history?
Any former substance abuse?
Eating disorders?
SSRI?
Prescription history?
Depression or anxiety?
Ever treated by a psychiatrist?
Promiscuity?
What are her morals?
Does she go to church?
Is she crying enough? / Too much?
Do we believe her emotions?
What has she been eating?
Is it healthy food?
Did she take prenatal vitamins?
Did she get regular prenatal care?
Was she alone on the morning of _____ ?
Why was she pregnant in the first place?
What's in her medicine cabinet?
What is her internet history?

Then a full screening of all medical reports from the beginning of time.
Signing waivers to release your psychiatric records.
Repeated questioning by multiple people.
Testimony of other people.
Testing the mother, the foetus, and the cord for abnormalities.
Pathology reports which almost always come back inconclusive.

Been there, done most of that, and mine was spontaneous.


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29 Jun 2022, 8:52 am

^This is what women go through when they're raped, too.

All this crap is going to come back as a result of overturning Roe v Wade.



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29 Jun 2022, 8:56 am

She may get crucified on social media too depending on her community.



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29 Jun 2022, 9:02 am

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She may get crucified on social media too depending on her community.


^

That's a given, and the judgement goes both ways.

People assume I wanted my baby to die, because I conceived via assault.


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29 Jun 2022, 9:05 am

Most (almost all) women would not want something growing inside of her to suffer at all. No matter how it was conceived.



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29 Jun 2022, 9:14 am

ironpony wrote:
Oh am I pro-life? I thought I was kind of undecided on the issue, depending on the circumstances.


What circumstances do you mean?