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09 Oct 2013, 9:15 pm

Yeah, we should all feel for the guy who hates American women because they don't live up to his expectations and takes advantage of the power differential between him and the Ukrainian woman, seeking an artificial relationship with her. :roll:



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09 Oct 2013, 10:12 pm

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Yeah, we should all feel for the guy who hates American women because they don't live up to his expectations and takes advantage of the power differential between him and the Ukrainian woman, seeking an artificial relationship with her. :roll:


Oh, rubbish. There's nothing to feel sorry about. He found a great wife with whom to live happily-ever-after. And, she found a great husband. Ain't nuthin' less artificial.



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09 Oct 2013, 10:22 pm

Some of the Feminists don't sound a whole lot different from David Duke whining about White women marrying Black men.

http://davidduke.com/justice-who-denied ... onscience/

The buzzwords are certainly different, but the shrill disdain is still there.



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10 Oct 2013, 10:18 am

Of all of the issues over which our Feminists could get worked up, nothing seems to raise their ire more than international dating.

This fellow is 45, pot-bellied, and has a young daughter. He was looking for a family-oriented woman, aged 31-36, who would make a good stepmom. And, he found one who, in his opinion, looks like a model, and who has good values.

In the USA, you aren't going to see a lot of ads like this: "Hot, blonde, 31-year old woman with the body of a model, and old-fashioned family values, seeks a middle-aged pot-bellied man with children." American women who match that description are going to have a whole lot of options, and very few would give a 45-year-old pot-bellied man with a child the time of day.

For Mr. Adams, Ukraine was obviously the best option. Especially in light of the extremely low, contemptuous opinion that our Feminists have expressed of this guy. It is little wonder that he got sick and tired of the American dating scene.

Most American men do quite well for themselves on the American dating scene. Many of the rejects do seem to have some attractive options abroad.

But, it seems quite hypocritical of our Feminists, who really don't like this fellow in the first place, to object to his finding romance in Ukraine. What do they want him to do? Dig a hole and bury himself, just because they think that he is hideous and unappealing?

Sour grapes.



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10 Oct 2013, 3:09 pm

MRAs by their very nature are physically, intellectually and spiritually repulsive to a good 99% of women.

If an omega male with a fat wallet finds someone who loves financial security and traditional values enough to overlook all that, then congratulations! I'm genuinely happy for them. :thumright:



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10 Oct 2013, 3:41 pm

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MRAs by their very nature are physically, intellectually and spiritually repulsive to a good 99% of women.

If an omega male with a fat wallet finds someone who loves financial security and traditional values enough to overlook all that, then congratulations! I'm genuinely happy for them. :thumright:


I don't know that Mr. Adams considers himself a MRA.

Anyway, one thing that I've noticed here about the Feminists: very strong on emotion, very strong on repeating buzzwords, but very weak on logic.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXj69RAUIbs[/youtube]

The Feminists unanimously hate this guy, but lack a coherent reason as to why. Lots of buzzwords, lots of emotion, maybe lots of hormones, but nothing that really makes any sense.

Even David Duke, as dumb as he is, at least uses some semblance of logic.

http://www.saveyourheritage.com/

David Duke wrote:
We are as different from their kind as the killer whale is from the humpback whale


Which is patently false, but at least he gives us some logic to shoot down.

With the Feminists, there isn't even any logic to contemplate.

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It's beyond silly to stereotype entire countries of women, but men like Adams seem oblivious to that. Nor do they seem to grasp how much the power differentials play into international "dating" dynamics....
What the Heck is she worried about?

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...international dating is for creepy rich dudes who want subservient wives....Adams..was clearly searching for a compliant, deferential wife, not an equal....dating is often an exercise in exploitation locally, too...
The author is doing a bit of projecting, here. And, it really isn't any of her business, anyway.

We don't get logical statements: just emotion and buzzwords. One can't really argue with statements that don't make sense.



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10 Oct 2013, 6:48 pm

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Of all of the issues over which our Feminists could get worked up, nothing seems to raise their ire more than international dating.

This fellow is 45, pot-bellied, and has a young daughter. He was looking for a family-oriented woman, aged 31-36, who would make a good stepmom. And, he found one who, in his opinion, looks like a model, and who has good values.

In the USA, you aren't going to see a lot of ads like this: "Hot, blonde, 31-year old woman with the body of a model, and old-fashioned family values, seeks a middle-aged pot-bellied man with children." American women who match that description are going to have a whole lot of options, and very few would give a 45-year-old pot-bellied man with a child the time of day.

For Mr. Adams, Ukraine was obviously the best option. Especially in light of the extremely low, contemptuous opinion that our Feminists have expressed of this guy. It is little wonder that he got sick and tired of the American dating scene.

Most American men do quite well for themselves on the American dating scene. Many of the rejects do seem to have some attractive options abroad.

But, it seems quite hypocritical of our Feminists, who really don't like this fellow in the first place, to object to his finding romance in Ukraine. What do they want him to do? Dig a hole and bury himself, just because they think that he is hideous and unappealing?

Sour grapes.


What the people on this site and many others don't understand is the biggest problem people the world over have with feminism is the immense problems it causes to families. The Asian Indian Latin and European cultures have a major problem with this because of how family oriented these cultures are. That is also why many American and British men chose to go after foreign women because they want a family and the chances of having a family with women from their culture is slim at best. I remember what the biggest player gamer in my home town Mr. Booker told me he said if you want to have a family then go after a foreign woman. He was a teacher at my school he had been all over the united states and had sex with close to 500 women he was by no means jaded or pissed off at women. His reason for chosing foreign women he said was because more than half the women he had sex with were married with kids. He also spent a lot of time over seas and said that married women over seas didn't cheat on their husbands they would take offense to men trying to hit on them. American women from his experience didn't care about their families just their feelings they couldn't deal with problems logically only emotionally. He said if he wanted to be single the rest of his life he could easily do so but he was ready for a wife and kids which he now has with a wife from the Romania. He is by no means the only man I have met to tell me this but he is the only one who didn't have women problems the only women problems he had was trying to chose who to hook up with day to day. Feminists on this site say we are just bitter and jaded because we cant get girls which is true for some but not me. Getting women was hard for me growing up but through trial and error I learned what I needed to do and became pretty good at picking p women. Now that iam older and looking to settle down and start a family though I see what Mr. booker was talking about none of the women I have meet want a family or kids. They want an endless social game where if they get bored or irritated they came just forget about trying to work on finding a way to deal with the problem best for them just to end the whole thing. Me personally I have many female friends that come to me for advice on their relationships. Because they trust me to be logical and objective they just don't know how or want to talk to their families about problems. Iam lucky to be half Korean my family from over there is helping me to find some one special I know in the not to distant future I find exactly what iam looking for. My friends who aren't so fortunate though I feel for because they are either still looking or divorced with children to many broken homes in this country and for no logical reason.



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10 Oct 2013, 8:25 pm

Note, too, that none of the Feminists are saying "I wish that Mr. Adams had chosen me instead of that Ukrainian девушка. I would have been a much better catch." Not only do they find him to be disgusting, but they don't want the Ukrainian woman to have him, either. They're completely nuts.



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10 Oct 2013, 10:53 pm

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What the people on this site and many others don't understand is the biggest problem people the world over have with feminism is the immense problems it causes to families. The Asian Indian Latin and European cultures have a major problem with this because of how family oriented these cultures are. That is also why many American and British men chose to go after foreign women because they want a family and the chances of having a family with women from their culture is slim at best.

If your definition of 'family' is 'woman works exclusively at home with the kids and has no financial wherewithal,' then, yeah.
If your definition of 'family' is 'two adults working together to support each other and raise happy, healthy kids,' then there's not a problem. Plenty of American men and women still do this.

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...he had been all over the united states and had sex with close to 500 women he was by no means jaded or pissed off at women.

Oh? He counted? Maybe he made notches in his bedpost?

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American women from his experience didn't care about their families just their feelings they couldn't deal with problems logically only emotionally.

So, to paraphrase your 'guy,' 'American women are hysterical, illogical sluts who don't give a damn about their husband or their kids.' Is that about it?
And he wonders why more normal American women don't want anything to do with him?

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Feminists on this site say we are just bitter and jaded because we cant get girls which is true for some but not me. Getting women was hard for me growing up but through trial and error I learned what I needed to do and became pretty good at picking p women...

Good for you. You do realize, though, that if you're looking for women to have one-night-stands with, then the women you're going to find are also going to be looking for men to have one-night-stands with? Ie, they're going to be women who are out for sex and nothing else? Ie, they're going to be the same kind of women as your storied 500 above?

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Me personally I have many female friends that come to me for advice on their relationships. Because they trust me to be logical and objective...

Frankly, I do not believe you.

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Iam lucky to be half Korean my family from over there is helping me to find some one special I know in the not to distant future I find exactly what iam looking for.

Ah, an arranged marriage. Good luck with that.

Just out of curiosity from a budoka who is currently without a dojo due to moving 500 miles, and therefore effectively 'ronin,' why do you call yourself ronin when you're Korean? Is there a Korean word that sounds like the Japanese 'ronin' but means something different?



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11 Oct 2013, 12:06 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Note, too, that none of the Feminists are saying "I wish that Mr. Adams had chosen me instead of that Ukrainian девушка. I would have been a much better catch." Not only do they find him to be disgusting, but they don't want the Ukrainian woman to have him, either. They're completely nuts.

Why would I want him to choose me?If she wants him and he wants her,I don't care.I don't want to raise anymore kids,I raised mine,now I'm finished.


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11 Oct 2013, 4:48 am

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What the people on this site and many others don't understand is the biggest problem people the world over have with feminism is the immense problems it causes to families. The Asian Indian Latin and European cultures have a major problem with this because of how family oriented these cultures are. That is also why many American and British men chose to go after foreign women because they want a family and the chances of having a family with women from their culture is slim at best.

If your definition of 'family' is 'woman works exclusively at home with the kids and has no financial wherewithal,' then, yeah.
If your definition of 'family' is 'two adults working together to support each other and raise happy, healthy kids,' then there's not a problem. Plenty of American men and women still do this.

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...he had been all over the united states and had sex with close to 500 women he was by no means jaded or pissed off at women.

Oh? He counted? Maybe he made notches in his bedpost?

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American women from his experience didn't care about their families just their feelings they couldn't deal with problems logically only emotionally.

So, to paraphrase your 'guy,' 'American women are hysterical, illogical sluts who don't give a damn about their husband or their kids.' Is that about it?
And he wonders why more normal American women don't want anything to do with him?

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Feminists on this site say we are just bitter and jaded because we cant get girls which is true for some but not me. Getting women was hard for me growing up but through trial and error I learned what I needed to do and became pretty good at picking p women...

Good for you. You do realize, though, that if you're looking for women to have one-night-stands with, then the women you're going to find are also going to be looking for men to have one-night-stands with? Ie, they're going to be women who are out for sex and nothing else? Ie, they're going to be the same kind of women as your storied 500 above?

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Me personally I have many female friends that come to me for advice on their relationships. Because they trust me to be logical and objective...

Frankly, I do not believe you.

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Iam lucky to be half Korean my family from over there is helping me to find some one special I know in the not to distant future I find exactly what iam looking for.

Ah, an arranged marriage. Good luck with that.

Just out of curiosity from a budoka who is currently without a dojo due to moving 500 miles, and therefore effectively 'ronin,' why do you call yourself ronin when you're Korean? Is there a Korean word that sounds like the Japanese 'ronin' but means something different?


If your definition of 'family' is 'two adults working together to support each other and raise happy, healthy kids,' then there's not a problem. Plenty of American men and women still do this.
Yes this is the only type of relationship that works these days unless one or the other is rich and I wouldn't say plenty is a good word to use more than a few is a more accurate in my opinion. If things keep going the way they are now just few will be a very accurate way to describe that type of relationship.

No he had a simple math equation he used to get a ruff estimate give or take 10 or 20.

Normal women abnormal women very intelligent women and women from many different cultures he was the biggest player ever didn't matter weather they were married or not. He told me he liked married women because they didn't mind being discrete so he could hook up with a lot more women without having to worry about consequences. Which was why he chose a foreign woman Romania to be exact. He told us so many stories about all the different types of women he seduced with husbands that were more often than not good looking rich and well respected. After doing this well into his thirties he was finally ready to settle down and from his experience a foreign woman was the only way to go. He had be the other guy to many time with to many women he knew what the problems were and didn't want to deal with them. He made the most intelligent and logical choice any man would or could make.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious with that.

I imagine that you don't still doesn't negate the fact that about once a month and old girl friend or chick friend calls me up or comes by my house with a problem expecting me to give out sage advice.

Not an arranged marriage just a good word.

My name represents where I grew up and that I don't follow the usual train of thought plus it rimes how cool is that :)



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11 Oct 2013, 6:43 am

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So, to paraphrase your 'guy,' 'American women are hysterical, illogical sluts who don't give a damn about their husband or their kids.' Is that about it?
And he wonders why more normal American women don't want anything to do with him?


500 is a fairly large sampling. It seems to be the case that, when he finally decided to get serious about marriage and family, he determined that American women just weren't for him. Which is his right.

One would imagine that, among those 500, he might have found at least one or two that he really liked. But, apparently not.



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11 Oct 2013, 8:31 am

Another thing that I find interesting: while many of our Feminists may consider us largely to be a bunch of controlling, patriarchal dicks, not a whole lot of them look for male companionship elsewhere. On the other hand, there are quite a lot of foreign women who would love to marry an American man--even one that most American women would deem repulsive (for whatever reason).

Which must mean that American men are, in fact, the planet's most desirable. :P



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11 Oct 2013, 10:11 am

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Another thing that I find interesting: while many of our Feminists may consider us largely to be a bunch of controlling, patriarchal dicks, not a whole lot of them look for male companionship elsewhere. On the other hand, there are quite a lot of foreign women who would love to marry an American man--even one that most American women would deem repulsive (for whatever reason).

Which must mean that American men are, in fact, the planet's most desirable. :P


I $ee.... I gue$$ that make$ $en$e.
There'$ no doubt a very good (and meaningful) rea$on for why tho$e foreign women are making a bee-line for American guy$....
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If your definition of 'family' is 'two adults working together to support each other and raise happy, healthy kids,' then there's not a problem. Plenty of American men and women still do this.

Yes this is the only type of relationship that works these days unless one or the other is rich and I wouldn't say plenty is a good word to use more than a few is a more accurate in my opinion. If things keep going the way they are now just few will be a very accurate way to describe that type of relationship.

The necessity of two working parents has everything to do with the economy, declining unions, and jobs being shipped overseas and pretty much nothing to do with feminism. I've even seen it speculated by MRAs that feminism is actually a 'sour grapes' response by women who were economically forced to take up paid work and leave the kids at home or with sitters.
As far as long-term trends:
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pretty stable for the last few decades.

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Normal women abnormal women very intelligent women and women from many different cultures he was the biggest player ever...

So, basically this guy is saying, 'I can sleep with whomever (actually, given the description, he would probably say 'whatever') I want, women can't resist me.' And you believe him.
I don't. Every single guy I've ever met who had that attitude, including a couple who have tried to use PUA tactics on me or my friends, has been repulsive to every woman I know... but then, I don't hang out with the female equivalent of 'players,' so it could just be my experience.
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He made the most intelligent and logical choice any man would or could make.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious with that.

(sarcasm)Oohh, snap! I'm crushed that a self-claimed serial philanderer with no respect for other people's marriages, or for women in general, would not want to 'settle down' with a woman like me.(/sarcasm).
My guess? The guy couldn't get an American woman to stay with him for longer than a month.
That guy is an a**hole, Red. He's not some great catch by any woman's standards, Romanian or otherwise. Do you think he's going to stop sleeping around now that he's married, assuming he's not lying about his history? How do you think his Romanian wife is going to feel when he hits her up with Chlamydia, HPV-caused cervical cancer, or something worse? Condoms don't stop everything, they only reduce the risk of transmission - and, again assuming his own claims are true, he's not exactly sleeping with a low-risk population.
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I imagine that you don't still doesn't negate the fact that about once a month and old girl friend or chick friend calls me up or comes by my house with a problem expecting me to give out sage advice.

"sage"?
Do you know, a lot of times when women approach men with a problem, what they want is a sympathetic ear, not advice. I've known more than one woman who was incredibly frustrated by men telling what they should do any time they expressed the least bit of dissatisfaction with their lives.

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My name represents where I grew up and that I don't follow the usual train of thought plus it rimes how cool is that :)

you grew up in Japan? That must be an interesting story. There's a lot of anti-Korean bias there.
(grammar nazi) It doesn't rhyme (much less rime); it's alliterative. And, contrary to what the manga say, 'ronin' is more akin to 'homeless' than to 'freethinker.' (/grammar nazi)



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11 Oct 2013, 4:06 pm

Ladywoofwoof wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Another thing that I find interesting: while many of our Feminists may consider us largely to be a bunch of controlling, patriarchal dicks, not a whole lot of them look for male companionship elsewhere. On the other hand, there are quite a lot of foreign women who would love to marry an American man--even one that most American women would deem repulsive (for whatever reason).

Which must mean that American men are, in fact, the planet's most desirable. :P


I $ee.... I gue$$ that make$ $en$e.
There'$ no doubt a very good (and meaningful) rea$on for why tho$e foreign women are making a bee-line for American guy$....
;-)


It has a lot more to do with attitude than it does money have known lots of average guys marry foreign women that I have met over the years they were by no means rich. Foreign women I have met say American men are the kindest most caring and helpful men they have ever known. The women of the world see American men as being the best you can go almost anywhere tell women you meet you are American and have them fighting over you. American women on the other had are seen as mean whores by most of the rest of the world. Every guy I know that comes here either loves American women for how easy it is to bang them or hates them because of how bad their attitudes towards people are.