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21 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm

AngelRho wrote:
What about "Breakfast at Tiffany's"?


I think I remember the film...



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21 Mar 2014, 8:41 pm

billiscool wrote:
it's ok being anti-feminist,but there a time,and place for it.
but when your with the ladies,keep it to yourself.
keep political viewpoint to yourself,unless challenge.


i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?



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21 Mar 2014, 8:42 pm

AngelRho wrote:
What about "Breakfast at Tiffany's"?


It's a reference to the song, right? Man, I grew to hate that song.

The film makes me fall asleep. I dread to think what would happen if I read the story.



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21 Mar 2014, 8:59 pm

starvingartist wrote:
billiscool wrote:
it's ok being anti-feminist,but there a time,and place for it.
but when your with the ladies,keep it to yourself.
keep political viewpoint to yourself,unless challenge.


i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?


I presume he is, as many here are. The original thread question has been answered time and time over, but he insists feminists have it in for Nice Guys because feminists all really love 'alpha' males.



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21 Mar 2014, 8:59 pm

billiscool wrote:
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What about "Breakfast at Tiffany's"?


I usually ask about cookies,or Pie,or cake,because most
people like them.

I was joking. It's a song reference.

I also like Audrey Hepburn. Best role IMO was in "Roman Holiday," but her rendition of "Moon River" in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" gets me every time. It's not so much her singing voice, which I love anyway, but her facial expressions in that scene. First fell in love with her in "My Fair Lady" ("Come on, Dovah…move yer bloody ARSE!! !!").



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21 Mar 2014, 9:36 pm

starvingartist wrote:
billiscool wrote:
it's ok being anti-feminist,but there a time,and place for it.
but when your with the ladies,keep it to yourself.
keep political viewpoint to yourself,unless challenge.


i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?


Goes both ways:

http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/ ... her-f-word

She could just as well have written:

"Being an Aryan means having a confident, cool northern deportment. It should be something that all races alike wear as a badge of pride, but the perpetuation of the myths of Aryanism have created an environment in which the Aryan identity is associated only with being radical, angry, Jew-hating, gay-bashing, and a skinhead.

If that’s the Aryan that some people are, that’s fantastic. But Aryanism is by no means excluded to — or deterministic of — people who match these qualities. Unfortunately, though, this stereotype causes many people to feel afraid or hesitant to claim an Aryan identity, or to at least feel as though it is too distant and inaccessible to apply to them."

I don't care if she's "leg hair-bearing and a lesbian," but how is it "fantastic" to be "radical, angry, [and] man-hating"?

I can't imagine wearing "feminist" as "a badge of pride" if it includes the latter group. Just sayin'...



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21 Mar 2014, 10:19 pm

starvingartist wrote:

i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?


but anti-feminist,is not equal to being a racist.Yes,racist should
keep it to themselves,unless they want their ass kicked.

why do liberal and feminist get so mad,if someone doesn't
agree with their political view.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:23 pm

NobodyKnows wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
billiscool wrote:
it's ok being anti-feminist,but there a time,and place for it.
but when your with the ladies,keep it to yourself.
keep political viewpoint to yourself,unless challenge.


i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?


Goes both ways:

http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/ ... her-f-word

She could just as well have written:

"Being an Aryan means having a confident, cool northern deportment. It should be something that all races alike wear as a badge of pride, but the perpetuation of the myths of Aryanism have created an environment in which the Aryan identity is associated only with being radical, angry, Jew-hating, gay-bashing, and a skinhead.

If that’s the Aryan that some people are, that’s fantastic. But Aryanism is by no means excluded to — or deterministic of — people who match these qualities. Unfortunately, though, this stereotype causes many people to feel afraid or hesitant to claim an Aryan identity, or to at least feel as though it is too distant and inaccessible to apply to them."

I don't care if she's "leg hair-bearing and a lesbian," but how is it "fantastic" to be "radical, angry, [and] man-hating"?

I can't imagine wearing "feminist" as "a badge of pride" if it includes the latter group. Just sayin'...


so if i'm interpreting what you're saying correctly: because there is a small minority of crazies amongst feminists (as there is going to be such a minority in ANY grouping of humans) i should disassociate myself from feminism, presumably as some form of protest against the existence of said minority of crazies. how is this a logical argument?



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21 Mar 2014, 10:30 pm

starvingartist wrote:
NobodyKnows wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
billiscool wrote:
it's ok being anti-feminist,but there a time,and place for it.
but when your with the ladies,keep it to yourself.
keep political viewpoint to yourself,unless challenge.


i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?


Goes both ways:

http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/ ... her-f-word

She could just as well have written:

"Being an Aryan means having a confident, cool northern deportment. It should be something that all races alike wear as a badge of pride, but the perpetuation of the myths of Aryanism have created an environment in which the Aryan identity is associated only with being radical, angry, Jew-hating, gay-bashing, and a skinhead.

If that’s the Aryan that some people are, that’s fantastic. But Aryanism is by no means excluded to — or deterministic of — people who match these qualities. Unfortunately, though, this stereotype causes many people to feel afraid or hesitant to claim an Aryan identity, or to at least feel as though it is too distant and inaccessible to apply to them."

I don't care if she's "leg hair-bearing and a lesbian," but how is it "fantastic" to be "radical, angry, [and] man-hating"?

I can't imagine wearing "feminist" as "a badge of pride" if it includes the latter group. Just sayin'...


so if i'm interpreting what you're saying correctly: because there is a small minority of crazies amongst feminists (as there is going to be such a minority in ANY grouping of humans) i should disassociate myself from feminism, presumably as some form of protest against the existence of said minority of crazies. how is this a logical argument?


How is a regular columnist writing in the student newspaper of a campus of 52,557 an example of a "minority of crazies"? About the paper:

"The organization is a 501 (c) non-profit corporation, but classified as a student organization. The organization trains over 250 employees each year, is headed by the three Office of Publisher members, and governed by a Board of Directors."

That's a pretty organized "minority of crazies". They're also supposedly the future leaders of my state. I do take issue with that attitude being so broadly accepted by them.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:33 pm

NobodyKnows wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
NobodyKnows wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
billiscool wrote:
it's ok being anti-feminist,but there a time,and place for it.
but when your with the ladies,keep it to yourself.
keep political viewpoint to yourself,unless challenge.


i'm going to draw a parallel for you, based on what you just said:

it's ok being racist, but there is a time and a place for it.
but when you're with people of colour, keep it to yourself.

are you going to continue to be anti-feminist no matter how many reasonable feminists you encounter?--and if so, is that very reasonable?


Goes both ways:

http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/ ... her-f-word

She could just as well have written:

"Being an Aryan means having a confident, cool northern deportment. It should be something that all races alike wear as a badge of pride, but the perpetuation of the myths of Aryanism have created an environment in which the Aryan identity is associated only with being radical, angry, Jew-hating, gay-bashing, and a skinhead.

If that’s the Aryan that some people are, that’s fantastic. But Aryanism is by no means excluded to — or deterministic of — people who match these qualities. Unfortunately, though, this stereotype causes many people to feel afraid or hesitant to claim an Aryan identity, or to at least feel as though it is too distant and inaccessible to apply to them."

I don't care if she's "leg hair-bearing and a lesbian," but how is it "fantastic" to be "radical, angry, [and] man-hating"?

I can't imagine wearing "feminist" as "a badge of pride" if it includes the latter group. Just sayin'...


so if i'm interpreting what you're saying correctly: because there is a small minority of crazies amongst feminists (as there is going to be such a minority in ANY grouping of humans) i should disassociate myself from feminism, presumably as some form of protest against the existence of said minority of crazies. how is this a logical argument?


How is a regular columnist writing in the student newspaper of a campus of 52,557 an example of a "minority of crazies"? About the paper:

"The organization is a 501 (c) non-profit corporation, but classified as a student organization. The organization trains over 250 employees each year, is headed by the three Office of Publisher members, and governed by a Board of Directors."

That's a pretty organized "minority of crazies".


um, you do realise that there are millions of feminists all over the world, right?



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21 Mar 2014, 10:48 pm

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Why do you think that contentment would come from a relationship? That's right out of the '50s.

At this point I'd like you to be independent. We got rid of home-making classes a long time ago, and that's good. It's time to get rid of classes that make boys into breadwinners. It's just not needed anymore.

Removing that oversupply would be much more powerful than a higher minimum wage.


What he said.^^^^^

I think many issues stem from social gender roll expectations, women have been being freed from theirs, but their refusing to let men be freed of their own as well, by rejecting him if he is otherwise then to that criteria and expectations of him as a male. its easy to say your free to do something only to condemn them for it through rejection. man does not want rejection but instead acceptance, therefore he is chained to that of womens demands of him. after all, a tomboy is fine with most men as a mate, while a pretty boy wouldn't be vary attractive to a woman. women still have those breadwinner expectations of men even if they make the same as a man, all that confidence ego and ambition expected out of a man that wouldn't be expected out of a woman before their considered dating material.


Bingo.

You're completely within your rights to say "I don't want to do that." You're completely within your rights to say "I don't want to pay for that."

You're probably not supporting a wife and six kids. You're not turning a crank on a lathe or filing papers by hand. Why are you working more than three days a week?

One of the most time-tested ways of forcing people to work is to raise their cost of living so much that they have no choice. That's what kept share-croppers poor. It's what the "company store" referred to in the song that this was taken from:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... e_Ford.ogg

Challenge people who tell you to turn over your hard-earned wages to "the common good." Make them prove that the money actually goes there. Make it clear that you expect the same generosity from the beneficiaries of your giving if the tables ever turn.

Here's a domestic policy that burns resources faster than the Iraq and Afghan wars combined:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/27/3 ... ivory.html

It's at least as ineffective:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/18/1 ... s-not.html

One change alone - halving dysfunctional education - would save $350 per year for every man, woman, child, infant and invalid the country. That's more than most defense cuts have saved.

Work for things that you like. Work for things that are effective. Don't work for a counter-meritocratic system that hands power to people who don't even like you:

http://www.mndaily.com/opinion/columns/ ... her-f-word



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21 Mar 2014, 10:48 pm

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um, you do realise that there are millions of feminists all over the world, right?


yes,in some area,feminist actual make sense,but American,western feminist
really have no point.Let see in America/west women can
-marry who they want
-not get married
-can sleep around
-wear skimpy cloth
-be lesbian
-go to college
-have an abortion
-vote
-can become CEO
-can run for office
-openly be feminist

feminist in west,have it so easy,compare to other women out there.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:53 pm

billiscool wrote:
starvingartist wrote:

um, you do realise that there are millions of feminists all over the world, right?


yes,in some area,feminist actual make sense,but American,western feminist
really have no point.Let see in America/west women can
-marry who they want
-not get married
-can sleep around
-wear skimpy cloth
-be lesbian
-go to college
-have an abortion
-vote
-can become CEO
-can run for office
-openly be feminist

feminist in west,have it so easy,compare to other women out there.


so because i don't live in a place where i might be subject to something like genital mutilation, i should shut my yap about feminism i guess. also very logical. :roll:

edit* --taking a break to watch the new episode of hannibal--also because i'm beginning to feel like i'm talking to myself.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:59 pm

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so because i don't live in a place where i might be subject to something like genital mutilation, i should shut my yap about feminism i guess. also very logical. :roll:


you feminist act like women ''have no rights''in the west.
Women have tons of rights.Feminist is just a ''Political
club''now.Why are you feminist,You have tons of right.
You should happy,you have rights.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:49 pm

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I know plenty of jerks have girlfriends. Because some jerks have girlfriends, it does not follow that all jerks have girlfriends, and so it similarly does not follow that only non-jerks don't have girlfriends.

Why each individual Nice Guy is rejected - who knows? I haven't said they were single because they were jerks, though I would be surprised if that didn't figure highly. Plenty of non-Nice Guys are rejected, and plenty of rejected men manage to not be jerks. I have said - in response to your subject title - feminists (and non-feminists) take a disliking to Nice Guys because they are jerks. Because of what is implicit in identifying oneself as a Nice Guy, the mindset it takes. This is not the same as rejecting their romantic advances.


then stop using the jerk excuse,the entitle excuse,the sexist excuse.
it's simple,feminist can't admit,they judge men by looks,and/or
social status. a 6'2,attractive,500,000$ a year,Jerk can
attract women(including feminist),a 5'3'',overweight,less than
15,000$ year,Jerk can't attract women.

so,what's the difference,simple one Jerk attractive,and successful,
and the other one's not,that it.It's that simple

I'd rather date an unemployed, unattractive jerk who respects both me and himself than a rich, handsome 'Nice Guy' who disrespects me or himself.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:51 pm

billiscool wrote:
starvingartist wrote:

so because i don't live in a place where i might be subject to something like genital mutilation, i should shut my yap about feminism i guess. also very logical. :roll:


you feminist act like women ''have no rights''in the west.
Women have tons of rights.Feminist is just a ''Political
club''now.Why are you feminist,You have tons of right.
You should happy,you have rights.

It's not an either/or thing. It's a gradient.