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15 Sep 2015, 2:02 pm

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This rasies another question ; why do so many consider socialistic ideas dangerous? Socialistic ideas would HELP the vast majority of citizens by giving them the income they deserve to a decent tax rate along with various rights that allows them to live a normal life. And the ability to actually get healthcare when they need it.

Oh and some level of gun control so that the people who owns guns know how to use, knows to keep it safe ( ideally in a dedicated, locked, safe ) and don't feel like they need it in order to feel some kind of power.

And the idea of a police that doesn't want to randomly beat up people for no reason, or take their money just because they think possible there's a tiny minute chance it could be something criminal behind it.

Sorry if I sound ranting, just want to know the reasoning behind it

Socialism fails because of greed.

Everyone wants more stuff, and they will beg the misguided Socialist to keep raising taxes so they can get more stuff.

However, this drives away capitalists, investors, business people, productive people, and hard working people. Who wants to do so much work when they take it all away in taxes anyway?

The nation's attitude changes and now people live to do minimal work, and receive as much welfare as possible.

So, the economy gets worse.

Europe has used to debt to fight off this affliction, but eventually that will end too.

Socialism is needed because of greed. Socialism isn't there to give people more stuff. Its purpose is to help those who needs it. Not everyone can get a job, and lots and lots and lots of hard working people don't earn enough to make ends meet, no matter how much they work.

While others earn million and million from doing basically nothing. Is it really greed to ask that these people pay a little bit, decreasing his or her wealth by a fraction so that a greater portion of the country can have a decent life? Or should health care++ only be for the minor, lucky portion that succeededs?

Some succeed, but for every person who succeeds, hundreds and hundreds fail. It's a vastly unfair system that rewards the greedy few while everyone else suffers.

Amen.

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15 Sep 2015, 3:05 pm

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While others earn million and million from doing basically nothing. Is it really greed to ask that these people pay a little bit, decreasing his or her wealth by a fraction so that a greater portion of the country can have a decent life? Or should health care++ only be for the minor, lucky portion that succeededs?

Some succeed, but for every person who succeeds, hundreds and hundreds fail. It's a vastly unfair system that rewards the greedy few while everyone else suffers.

If an inventor risks his life savings, passes up other opportunities, works day and night for years to make something, then shouldn't his reward be very substantial ?

Why should greedy people who risked nothing, who contributed nothing to his success, get to take a huge chunk of it?

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15 Sep 2015, 3:22 pm

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We live in a society of greed-heads. They neither know nor care about who has to work their butts off, as long as they get theirs. If you can get people to work, many of them demand so much compensation that it forces jobs overseas because the market won't bear the prices corporations would have to charge in order to turn a profit and payoff the greedy little worms who invest in their stocks. The current economic models being thrown out, with increased taxes on the one hand, and increased stock dividends on the other, leave corporations so weakened that they are in mortal danger of going under.

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16 Sep 2015, 11:37 am

Just heard the crazy bast**d talking on the radio this morning saying stuff like.

"We`re gonna build the biggest army in the world and Putin will be scared of us"

He`s pressing them gung ho buttons, and there is a load of folks in the US who just love it.

The USA is such a wonderful yet contradictory country, some of the very best and the very worst. There are a lot of free thinkers but a hell of a lot of programmed folks there too.

God help us...... Remember the final scene in Dr Strangelove with Slim Pickens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

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16 Sep 2015, 3:20 pm

p.s.

Dear Yanks if the satire in the lase post was a bit harsh, please forgive me.
I am not particularly anti American just anti ignorance. (I am just as critical of my own UK at times)
I`m just genuinely scared by the global consequences of this guy whipping up so much populist furore that he actually gets some kind of political power.

I just hope this vain mans ego project does not succeed and fizzles out as it probably will do (fingers crossed).
However crazier things have happened before when public momentum gets rolling.
.....it always scares me how potent money and blind confidence is on the suggestible.

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16 Sep 2015, 3:40 pm

This is worrying to see that in the country with the most cultural, economical and military influences in the world there is so many peoples considering that arrogance and stupidity are virtues.

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16 Sep 2015, 5:04 pm

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Not at all. Trust me, plenty of us Americans fear what a Trump Presidency would mean. Chances are, Trump will self-destruct before a Republican nominee is chosen.

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16 Sep 2015, 5:12 pm

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No your post was not ignorant.

Some say we need a super-powerful military to force the world to keep buying our debt.

The threat of force is enough to keep them in line.

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16 Sep 2015, 6:17 pm

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No your post was not ignorant.

Some say we need a super-powerful military to force the world to keep buying our debt.

The threat of force is enough to keep them in line.

All that accomplishes is getting the world to hate us even more. Someday, we won't be the world's superpower anymore, but people will still remember how badly our government had behaved.

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17 Sep 2015, 12:26 am

I didn't get to watch the debate tonight, but they are saying on the radio that Trump won the debate and there is talk that he could be the Republican nominee. Exciting!! Go Trump!!

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17 Sep 2015, 12:39 am

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I didn't get to watch the debate tonight, but they are saying on the radio that Trump won the debate and there is talk that he could be the Republican nominee. Exciting!! Go Trump!!

Bernie will be waiting for him.

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17 Sep 2015, 12:52 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Peejay wrote:

No your post was not ignorant.

Some say we need a super-powerful military to force the world to keep buying our debt.

The threat of force is enough to keep them in line.

Thats pretty much wrong. The world is too interconnected for that simplistic an excuse. However, just as NTs exploit us the first chance they can get, NTs treat each other groupwise in pretty much the same way.

The US controls the world markets along with England and is top dog where the markets are concerned....this goes all the way back to the British Empire and the days when NTs were a brutal lot.

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17 Sep 2015, 1:24 am

Donald says vaccines cause autism. nydn.us/1YeiHhw

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17 Sep 2015, 1:27 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Not at all. Trust me, plenty of us Americans fear what a Trump Presidency would mean. Chances are, Trump will self-destruct before a Republican nominee is chosen.

But that's what they said about Ronnie Reagan, he was a standing joke.

I'm sure the voters in California were in shock and disbelief when former B grade actors like Reagan and Schwarznegger could stand for governor in their state an win! Come to think of it didn't Louisiana vote David Duke a former grand wizard of the KKK as governor under the republican ticket?

The republicans and their voters have already set the bar really really low...

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17 Sep 2015, 1:38 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

Not at all. Trust me, plenty of us Americans fear what a Trump Presidency would mean. Chances are, Trump will self-destruct before a Republican nominee is chosen.

That is indeed true. In the words of H.L. Menchen, "No one ever lost money underestimating the in intelligence of the American people." :shaking:

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17 Sep 2015, 1:39 am

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Donald says vaccines cause autism. nydn.us/1YeiHhw

All the more reason why we on the spectrum should band together in opposition to him.

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