Do you believe in God?

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quote="Deltaville"...

*yawn* Wait, what is this? Oh, another long refuted Vic Stenger proposition that fails to account for the DE/OM mix balance as well as the initial entropy value. Stenger is indeed the go to guy for dealing with me, when you cannot account for the weight of the parameters he is trying to downplay, isn't he? Appeal to authority again./quote

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The difference between me quoting Stenger and you quoting Planck, is that it doesn't matter if he can prove he's correct. It's plausible, and any remotely plausible explanation is superior to a supernatural one. Noting that the universe appears to have an unlikely set of parameters (without even knowing what the relationship between parameters are to the standard model) is fine. Anything beyond that, that there is a God, is a separate claim. One for which there is zero evidence. So, materialistic speculation beats supernatural speculation by default, since nothing supernatural has ever been shown to exist.

quote="Deltaville"...

Not true, more than half of my physics faculty know that the multiverse theorem is a load of CRAP. The only ones who have any real faith in the multiverse are string theory nutjobs and scifi fanboys./quote

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They know it? How do they know? It breaks no known physical laws. Can you quote a paper on the subject?

As long as we are using arguments from authority, here is a list of advocates of the multiverse theory... from wikipedia:

Stephen Hawking,[15] Brian Greene,[16][17] Max Tegmark,[18] Alan Guth,[19] Andrei Linde,[20] Michio Kaku,[21] David Deutsch,[22] Leonard Susskind,[23] Alexander Vilenkin,[24] Yasunori Nomura,[25] Raj Pathria,[26] Laura Mersini-Houghton,[27][28] Neil deGrasse Tyson,[29] and Sean Carroll.[30]

Last edited by AspE on 23 Mar 2016, 4:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What he said...

Well we now know that the FLRW universe is Cartesian FLAT. That is omega=1. You need a <1 or a negative saddle universe to have a topology that accommodates a multiverse ensemble.

DUH.

quote="Deltaville"

Well we now know that the FLRW universe is Cartesian FLAT. That is omega=1. You need a <1 or a negative saddle universe to have a topology that accommodates a multiverse ensemble.

DUH.

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Can you describe the topology of god too?

FYI, the Gospel of Thomas is not Biblical, but rather apocryphal text that is up for debate.

The gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are widely accepted as the Biblical gospels.

But it weakens AspE's argument from my stand point.

Thomas is based on what they call gnosticism, and is not a view point supported in Biblical gospels. In fact, it's far closer to materialism.

^^Oops, I see AspE already clarified that earlier.

quote="marcb0t" FYI, the Gospel of Thomas is not Biblical, but rather apocryphal text that is up for debate.

The gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are widely accepted as the Biblical gospels.

But it weakens AspE's argument from my stand point.

Thomas is based on what they call gnosticism, and is not a view point supported in Biblical gospels. In fact, it's far closer to materialism./quote

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I know. I don't think the Bible is authoritative. The fact that certain gospels were chosen by a Roman committee to be included in the book doesn't mean anything to me. But I do like that statement attributed to Jesus.

Yeah, I know what your viewpoint is. And it is not surprising that you would favor using that literature.

My viewpoint is that without the Holy Spirit, Scripture is only ink on paper and useless.

It only comes to life to me when the Lord gives me insight into it.

Then He opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
Luke 24:45 NIV

Fervent studying of the Bible does not give anyone authority or salvation either.

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
John 5:39-40 NIV

Commentary from mere men does not convince me one way or the other. Only if the Holy Spirit makes sense of it to me.

He even teaches me on how to love and respect you... believe it, or not.

So in other words, you concede at this point, AspE?

Do you think the range of possible constants is infinite?

Yeah, I think AspE has conceded.

Do you really think that I used improper logic when forming my point?

You know, I met a cosmologist who believes that dark energy is the divine spirit of God. A 60 year old Mennonite that almost won the Nobel Prize in physics. Would you think his logic is more convincing?

Then why does he not answer the prayers of parents that have children with cancer and die? What is it they did wrong?



No it won't. God seems to play favourites. Every child that has died from cancer or other illness, I'm sure had many prayers to God said for them, God turned his back on them.



Letting children die of cancer, if you have the power to prevent it is morally abhorrent. It can't be justified; now, in 1000 years, in 1 million years, in 1 billion years, or at the end of time. Also for the record, personal experience is the worst kind of evidence. I'm glad you got your questions answered, however, think of the people that God turned his back on.



I admit I couldn't get through Genesis. It makes claims that we know to be untrue for a fact, therefore I decided it a waste of time to continue, as it got the creation completely wrong. The Earth isn't 6000 years old either, thankfully most Christians seem to acknowledge this now, apart from the "Young Earthers", but they have as much credibility as the "Flat Earth Society".