Is it WRONG to own guns, rifles, swords, knives, etc.?

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Is it wrong to bear arms?
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No 81%  81%  [ 66 ]
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17 Sep 2007, 5:11 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I have no interest in shooting other professional soldiers, or even "terrorists" (freedon-fighters.) I like shooting robots, zombies, and aliens.

You don't mean illegal immigrants, right?


New Video Game: SHOOT CARLOS BEFORE HE TAKES YOUR JOB!! !

Such games are disgusting.
I believe this promotes hate in the end.


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17 Sep 2007, 5:18 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
MrMark wrote:
I have no interest in shooting other professional soldiers, or even "terrorists" (freedon-fighters.) I like shooting robots, zombies, and aliens.

You don't mean illegal immigrants, right?


New Video Game: SHOOT CARLOS BEFORE HE TAKES YOUR JOB!! !

Such games are disgusting.
I believe this promotes hate in the end.


I wasn't serious, but your agenda is obvious.


So there are actually people who would vote to take away my rights?



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17 Sep 2007, 5:20 pm

MrMark wrote:
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Do you play video shooter games? How is that different than shooting a bottle on a fence post?


Bottles are more replaceable when renewed from a data disc. I enjoy shooting up people in GTA:SA, but I also realise that they are replaceable. People in real life are not.

I have no interest in shooting other professional soldiers, or even "terrorists" (freedon-fighters.) I like shooting robots, zombies, and aliens.


Depending on the game, I have no interest in what the target is, providing it is interesting. In the MGS games, for example, you have to face up against professional soldiers. I have the option of using a tranquiliser, which I often do, mostly because in a game like MGS, (particularly MGS3) having a dead body tends to raise questions, especially considering Metal Gear Solid is a stealth game. In Resident Evil or Silent Hill, I do not go crazy with the ammo on the creatures within, mostly because in that game, it's tantamount to suicide.

To be perfectly honest, whenever I play FPSes with a friend of mine, he usually kicks my arse. On a good day for me, he merely 'pwns' me at a ratio of 5 to 1. (That is, I kill him once for every 5 kills he does of me)

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I enjoy shooting up people in GTA:SA, but I also realise that they are replaceable. People in real life are not.


Sure they are. We just keep making more.
8O :D :twisted:


Would you give my statement a little more consideration than twisted macabre humour, s'il vous plait?

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You can use cheat codes in video games, in real life you can't.


And like I said, the 'targets' in a shooter can be refreshed readily. They are not unique.


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17 Sep 2007, 5:30 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So there are actually people who would vote to take away my rights?

I could ask you the very same question about gay marriage.


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17 Sep 2007, 5:34 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
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I have no interest in shooting other professional soldiers, or even "terrorists" (freedon-fighters.) I like shooting robots, zombies, and aliens.

You don't mean illegal immigrants, right?


New Video Game: SHOOT CARLOS BEFORE HE TAKES YOUR JOB!! !

Such games are disgusting.
I believe this promotes hate in the end.


If it was Carlos Mencia it would be funny. Who's ever heard of the old Atari game Custer's Revenge? Now that was a tasteless game.


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17 Sep 2007, 5:49 pm

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And like I said, the 'targets' in a shooter can be refreshed readily. They are not unique.

Only shooting/violent games I have played where the original Doom I, II and Quake I, II, III.
Multiplayer on a network with my brother and some of his friends, and it was fun going shooting all of them and getting shot in the game, kinda addictive :P
But they are just games, all the fictional characters are back to life and continue, they do not suffer, as real living beings suffer and are irreplaceable.


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17 Sep 2007, 5:55 pm

greenblue wrote:
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And like I said, the 'targets' in a shooter can be refreshed readily. They are not unique.

Only shooting/violent games I have played where the original Doom I, II and Quake I, II, III.
Multiplayer on a network with my brother and some of his friends, and it was fun going shooting all of them and getting shot in the game, kinda addictive :P
But they are just games, all the fictional characters are back to life and continue, they do not suffer, as real living beings suffer and are irreplaceable.


That was my point exactly!


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17 Sep 2007, 5:59 pm

Quatermass wrote:
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I can think of a gun as just another kitchen utensil. "Honey I'm gone t'git dinner, I'll be right back."


A gun's singular purpose is to wound or kill. PERIOD.

So you would support laws based on wrong information?

How do you feel about javelin (athletics) and archery? At one time you could say the same thing, that their only purpose was to wound or kill.

Have you never heard of target shooting, Russel Mark, or Michael Diamond? I have met Russel Mark. He has never shot at anything except a target. On the other hand I know a member of the Atlanta Olympic team (skeet) who now never shoots at a target and only hunts for "free range" food. What's wrong with harvesting free range food yourself?

Have you ever even seen a small bore target rifle (or pistol for that matter). How could you possibly think they are designed to wound or kill?

You are only showing your ignorance. You like others are letting your emotions blind you to the facts.



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17 Sep 2007, 6:23 pm

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Just to clarify an angle of this debate.. how many of the pro-gun lobby in this thread actually vote?


I vote. Even for local elections.


ditto.



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17 Sep 2007, 6:27 pm

calandale wrote:
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Just to clarify an angle of this debate.. how many of the pro-gun lobby in this thread actually vote?


I vote. Even for local elections.


ditto.


It's compulsory to vote in Australia. Once over 18.


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17 Sep 2007, 6:27 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So there are actually people who would vote to take away my rights?

I could ask you the very same question about gay marriage.
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Funny the same people who are against my rights are for other peoples "rights" when both are issues of choice and not design.



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17 Sep 2007, 6:43 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So there are actually people who would vote to take away my rights?

I could ask you the very same question about gay marriage.
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Funny the same people who are against my rights are for other peoples "rights" when both are issues of choice and not design.


I will disagree with this statement, there is sufficient evidence to show that gays are gay by design.



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17 Sep 2007, 6:52 pm

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
MrMark wrote:
I can think of a gun as just another kitchen utensil. "Honey I'm gone t'git dinner, I'll be right back."


A gun's singular purpose is to wound or kill. PERIOD.

So you would support laws based on wrong information?

How do you feel about javelin (athletics) and archery? At one time you could say the same thing, that their only purpose was to wound or kill.

Have you never heard of target shooting, Russel Mark, or Michael Diamond? I have met Russel Mark. He has never shot at anything except a target. On the other hand I know a member of the Atlanta Olympic team (skeet) who now never shoots at a target and only hunts for "free range" food. What's wrong with harvesting free range food yourself?

Have you ever even seen a small bore target rifle (or pistol for that matter). How could you possibly think they are designed to wound or kill?

You are only showing your ignorance. You like others are letting your emotions blind you to the facts.


Okay, so I add bows and spears to that. Also, would you like to get in front of an Olympic athlete wielding a shotty?

As for a small bore target pistol or rifle, the fact remains that they still can wound.

And harvesting 'free-range food'? I'd rather keep out of the killing part of the process. If that makes me a hypocrite, sue me.

The only 'multipurpose' gun is a nailgun. Unless you count those grappling hook guns Hollywood seems so fond of.

Anyway, I'm not gonna argue with you Bazza. I think we already reached mutual respect about each others' views on guns.


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17 Sep 2007, 7:14 pm

See Lethal Weapon 2, nail guns can kill if used improperly.



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17 Sep 2007, 7:25 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
See Lethal Weapon 2, nail guns can kill if used improperly.


Ahhh, but that's not all they are used for, that's my point! You can use a nail gun for constructive purposes.


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17 Sep 2007, 8:33 pm

Quatermass wrote:
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See Lethal Weapon 2, nail guns can kill if used improperly.


Ahhh, but that's not all they are used for, that's my point! You can use a nail gun for constructive purposes.


I have used guns before, so that makes me a murderer?