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27 Jan 2017, 8:12 pm

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What makes you think that attacking Trump's character is going to be successful now when it wasn't successful during the campaign?

I've wondered this practically every single day, since the election, it seems like, when I see somebody protesting and carrying-on----I've thought: "Well, where were you, BEFORE the election?". I'll tell ya where they were..... I've posted this, before..... I think it's quite possible that President Trump got elected, the same way, IMO, that it's possible that President Obama got elected: because most thought they WOULDN'T (I mean, that certainly seems to be what the MSM, was thinking)----so, too many people thought, seemingly, that it'd be safe to "sit this one out", because "nobody in their right mind would vote for 'that man'" (again, I'm meaning BOTH President Obama and President Trump)! !




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27 Jan 2017, 8:23 pm

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What makes you think that attacking Trump's character is going to be successful now when it wasn't successful during the campaign?

I've wondered this practically every single day, since the election, it seems like, when I see somebody protesting and carrying-on----I've thought: "Well, where were you, BEFORE the election?". I'll tell ya where they were..... I've posted this, before..... I think it's quite possible that President Trump got elected, the same way, IMO, that it's possible that President Obama got elected: because most thought they WOULDN'T (I mean, that certainly seems to be what the MSM, was thinking)----so, too many people thought, seemingly, that it'd be safe to "sit this one out", because "nobody in their right mind would vote for 'that man'" (again, I'm meaning BOTH President Obama and President Trump)! !


I also wonder which way Bernie's supporters voted - if at all.



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27 Jan 2017, 8:26 pm

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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


But what about the life of an embryo?



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27 Jan 2017, 8:31 pm

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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


But what about the life of an embryo?


It's cells. That's the answer.
My reason for asking Kraichgauer that question has to do with religion. If one is religious, a person shouldn't be for abortion.


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27 Jan 2017, 8:54 pm

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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


But what about the life of an embryo?


It's cells. That's the answer.
My reason for asking Kraichgauer that question has to do with religion. If one is religious, a person shouldn't be for abortion.


Question wasn't directed at you. Nor will I assume the worst of Barchan (though I'm not naive enough to dismiss it as a likelihood).



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27 Jan 2017, 8:58 pm

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I don't understand what objection you would have to Americans choosing to live abroad for a time and work for foreign companies. What could possibly be wrong with that?

I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about ex-patriots----say, those who would've moved to Canada, saying: "I hate America", after the election of President Trump.

Although, I must say, if there are Americans working overseas for foreign companies, who are NOT doing it in aid to Americans / the U.S., then it seems like they're being ex-patriots (my judgment would come on a case-by-case basis).


So an American sculptor gets a job restoring stonework on French cathedrals for a few years, learning restoration in the high Gothic style from master masons. Because this work isn't somehow for the US or other Americans he's suddenly what? A traitor? Anti-American?

I am having a very hard time following your reasoning here.


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27 Jan 2017, 9:03 pm

nurseangela wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Barchan wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


But what about the life of an embryo?


It's cells. That's the answer.
My reason for asking Kraichgauer that question has to do with religion. If one is religious, a person shouldn't be for abortion.


However, it depends on your religious beliefs that determine Pro-life or otherwise. From what I remember as a junior high school student, Catholics, evangelical and fundamentalist Christians view life as beginning when sperm fertilizes the egg in utero. Jews, and the more liberal Christian denominations, believe you are not a living, breathing person until you are outside the womb. (I think this view is wrong, but who am I to tell someone otherwise?)



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27 Jan 2017, 9:14 pm

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adifferentname wrote:
Barchan wrote:
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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


But what about the life of an embryo?


It's cells. That's the answer.
My reason for asking Kraichgauer that question has to do with religion. If one is religious, a person shouldn't be for abortion.


However, it depends on your religious beliefs that determine Pro-life or otherwise. From what I remember as a junior high school student, Catholics, evangelical and fundamentalist Christians view life as beginning when sperm fertilizes the egg in utero. Jews, and the more liberal Christian denominations, believe you are not a living, breathing person until you are outside the womb. (I think this view is wrong, but who am I to tell someone otherwise?)


Thanks Mr. M. He must be in the liberal Christian denomination - he's Lutheran.


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27 Jan 2017, 9:29 pm

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If one is religious, a person shouldn't be for abortion.

I realize you said you were talking to Kraichgauer----but, because I'm one of the few religious people on here, I wanted to add my two cents.....

I am Pro Choice. I don't like to say I'm "for abortion", because I am NOT for late-term abortions, unless the mother's life is endangered----and, I'm CERTAINLY not for some kind of, seemingly, eugenics crap, like if someone aborts when they find-out their kid is ret*d (because, it seems to me, if a fetus is old enough to determine whether it's ret*d, it seems it would be viable); also, I've run-into females who were using abortion, as birth-control, and I wanted to SMACK 'em.

Now, with all that being said, the bottom line, for ME, is that if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned, that would NOT mean, IMO, that women would stop getting abortions, it would only mean that they would stop getting them, SAFELY----and, that the procedures would return to the back-alley, and being done UNsafely with a coat-hanger (yes, to anyone who doesn't know, this really happened); and, I just think it's more logical to fight for a life that's already in existence (the mother), than to fight for a "maybe life", that MIGHT live.




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27 Jan 2017, 9:50 pm

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I don't understand what objection you would have to Americans choosing to live abroad for a time and work for foreign companies. What could possibly be wrong with that?

I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about ex-patriots----say, those who would've moved to Canada, saying: "I hate America", after the election of President Trump.

Although, I must say, if there are Americans working overseas for foreign companies, who are NOT doing it in aid to Americans / the U.S., then it seems like they're being ex-patriots (my judgment would come on a case-by-case basis).

So an American sculptor gets a job restoring stonework on French cathedrals for a few years, learning restoration in the high Gothic style from master masons. Because this work isn't somehow for the US or other Americans he's suddenly what? A traitor? Anti-American? I am having a very hard time following your reasoning here.

No----again, I'm not talking about those people----I'm talking about people who leave the country, because they HATE it. Someone who goes overseas to get a job, mastering a skill, I would NOT call an ex-patriot----because, no.1, it's temporary; and, no.2, they have NOT, assumingly, denounced their / our country.




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27 Jan 2017, 9:56 pm

There are times when I've thought about living in another country.

But I do love America. I'm proud of America.

I hope Trump doesn't screw it up for us.



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27 Jan 2017, 9:57 pm

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If one is religious, a person shouldn't be for abortion.

I realize you said you were talking to Kraichgauer----but, because I'm one of the few religious people on here, I wanted to add my two cents.....

I am Pro Choice. I don't like to say I'm "for abortion", because I am NOT for late-term abortions, unless the mother's life is endangered----and, I'm CERTAINLY not for some kind of, seemingly, eugenics crap, like if someone aborts when they find-out their kid is ret*d (because, it seems to me, if a fetus is old enough to determine whether it's ret*d, it seems it would be viable); also, I've run-into females who were using abortion, as birth-control, and I wanted to SMACK 'em.

Now, with all that being said, the bottom line, for ME, is that if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned, that would NOT mean, IMO, that women would stop getting abortions, it would only mean that they would stop getting them, SAFELY----and, that the procedures would return to the back-alley, and being done UNsafely with a coat-hanger (yes, to anyone who doesn't know, this really happened); and, I just think it's more logical to fight for a life that's already in existence (the mother), than to fight for a "maybe life", that MIGHT live.


Each person has to answer to a higher being for their decision (if religious), but I say if they are going to play, then they should be made to pay. Put it into the States hands. I don't want to pay for their "choices."


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27 Jan 2017, 10:00 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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Looking back at how Obama treated the Press and Talk Radio......

Why It'll Be Hard for Trump to Surpass Obama's Record of Chilling Press Freedom. http://tiny.iavian.net/ey26


Obama didn't have high regard for Fox for slanted reporting, whereas Trump is jumping on CNN because they don't deal in alternate facts.


You've just described the same behaviour in two individuals through the filter of bias.


My intent was to show that Obama fought back against misleading reporting by Fox regarding his Presidency, while Trump is outraged by CNN reporting accurately about his contradictory and loony statements. So, no, it's not the same thing.


CNN was brought out in the open of falsely reporting by Wikileaks. Obama and the Left were also trying to shut down talk radio.


How did they report falsely on Wikileaks? And pushing back against talk radio's misinformation and out-and-out lies doesn't necessarily mean they were trying to shut down anything, just that they wanted the truth to win out. Do you seriously believe Obama is foreign born, or that he wants the terrorists to win, or that he's actually the Antichrist, which was commonly heard of talk radio?


How do you just "forget" important information? You need to teach me that trick. We're going to have to agree to disagree on CNN and the radio shut down.

Yes, yes, it may be the Pope - still open minded on that question. The antichrist has to be someone - who do You think it is? (I already know who you are going to say and prophesy never said they would have that big of hair - so there!) :mrgreen:


I do not believe for a minute that is the Antichrist, and nor is anyone in modern or future times; not even Trump. The Antichrist, as well as the Beast, are references to the Roman Emperor Nero, who had persecuted the early church. Most of Revelations is the history of the early church in the 1st century when it was written, told in the apocalyptic language from Persia in order to avoid charges of treason by the Roman authorities. It is not, for the most part, a history of the future, save for Christ's return and final judgement.
As for your question in your next post to me: who says I'm not pro-life? As a matter of fact, I don't agree with many of my fellow liberals on the abortion issue. That said, I am contemptuous of most of the pro-life movement, as they are so intertwined with right wing secular politics that they oppose providing a social safety net for poor mothers and children, calling them leeches, and only caring about people before they're born, and after they die, but not in between. And the use of violence and intimidation against abortion providers, and sh*tty little tricks of trying to shame mothers facing a difficult choice, such as having to provide a burial for the fetus, does nothing to endear the pro-lifers to me.


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27 Jan 2017, 10:10 pm

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Trump says Syrian Christians will be given priority refugee status

I would LOVE to know how President Trump thinks he'll be able to definitively prove that someone's a Christian----I mean, ANYBODY could LIE / tell a little story about Moses floatin' down the river in a basket, and they're in, like Flynn!!







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Each person has to answer to a higher being for their decision (if religious), but I say if they are going to play, then they should be made to pay. Put it into the States hands. I don't want to pay for their "choices."

I don't understand----don't you have to pay state taxes?








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