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touche!

to be fair.... tis cause of the rpeublicans too.... though it's almost the same

Because God said it is. Those "Christians" for whom that is not a good enough reason worship man more than they worship God. (Romans 1:25)

Once again, you're oversimplifying my words. I said initially it felt forced, but then it was kinda cool. Kind of like with any sin. At first it seems wrong, and you're trepidatious -- but then once you do it, it feels awesome, at least for a little while. And when I've repented of the homosexual desires within me, they left, and became disgusting to me again.

I never said He answers all my prayers -- geez, talking to you is so tiresome, when you keep twisting everything I say!


That's just it: I have, but you shape your morality by what you want to believe, rather than through unbiasedly seeking the truth.

That's what gays are fighting for.

THE LEGAL RIGHT TO MARRIAGE.

They are not trying to force churches that oppose gay marriages to perform gay weddings. There are churches that will gladly do so, and gay people are content with that, or they simply go to a courthouse and get married atheist style.

However, why is it that a lot of Christians oppose legal gay marriage?

Two reasons: They either hate gays, or they fear anything outside of their little realm of normality.

What is normality?

That is the cultural roots of a society that dictates what is normal and what is not normal.

Homosexuality is a minority, so it is not normal to a predominantly heterosexual society. That's the way it has been for the past 100,000 years. Homosexuality will continue to be a minority, but now there is a chance for people who were born homosexual or bisexual to gain acceptance in a society that has traditionally persecuted and murdered them.

There are people that dislike homosexuality so much that they'll fight the changing tides no matter what happens. However, the people that staunchly oppose homosexuality are dwindling, while the people that support equal rights are increasing. The latter is including people that oppose homosexuality on a moral basis but have come to accept the fact that homosexuality is biological, and is no less different than one's skin color.

With that being said, when I hear "Hate the sin, love the sinner..." in regards to homosexuality, it is like saying, "Love the black man, hate their skin color".

Fear and hate is the only basis the anti-gay movement is standing on, and history has shown and proven without a doubt that fear and hate are two of the weakest foundations for any sort of argument. Look at how well the Nazis did. Look at how far the anti-equality movement went in prevent black people from getting civil rights. Look at how successful the Bible quoting supporters of slavery were at preventing the banishment of slavery. Look at how well the people who felt women should always be submissive and second hand humans fought to prevent women suffrage.

i wont address your own waffling...

but to answer your last thing......... because i was a child. i fullheartedly believed everything... there's no way you can take that away from me whatever you want to say... religion is like love... just cause i am no longer with someone does not mean i did not wholey love them.

i think you're one of those people who thinks they're following christ... and i think pride is gonna be the sin that sends you somewhere (if i believed that's how it worked, anyway)


you keep chuckin those stones

Hell doesn't exist.

Marriage has always existed of course, among both the pagan and the godly, and, like going swimming, is not expressly Christian or un-Christian. It's simply what people naturally do, as they were created to do. God doesn't look at pagans getting married, and despise the fact that they're getting married!

God is that imperfect to despise the marriage of people who do not follow Christianity?

Neither does God, as far as I am aware.

yeah i was merely referring to the legal aspect.... THAT is a farce

Again, your problem. Has nothing to do with me or Christianity, so you can just give up the argument right now. If you just don't like the Christian view, well, too bad.

God is that imperfect to despise the marriage of people who do not follow Christianity?[/quote]

there shouldnt be a comma there.... he meant god doesnt despise

edit: im too lazy to fix these quotes.... ragtime said the "quoted" thing up top.... JC said what's halfway quoted in blue

Oh brother... There's this thing out there called sanity... it's really awesome.

You have the legal right to get married to a woman. You just have to go to the places where that's legal, and get it done, if it's not legal in Britain yet. And that's another thing: stop blaming the U.S. for Britain's laws on gays, which are the only ones that concern you.

It is legal in britain, its called a civil partnership, and is marriage in all but name. Please will someone quit whining about having rights they dont even want to exercise. Thank you.

that's laughable... unless you and every other christian who shares your views DOESNT VOTE (or equiv. in her country)

She doesn't even want to get married. She just wants to post on Wrong Planet for the rest of her life, and thereby somehow change marital law. Gee, Sopho, maybe if you can convince me, British law will change!

Yeah, that's what I want to know. The last thing I want is to get married in some church, whether I'm gay or straight. I want to be able to legally get amrried so that I have the same legal and financial benefits and, most importantly, protection for my relationship (hospital visiting rights, kids etc.) that any straight couple can get.