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12 Jul 2012, 2:08 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
TM wrote:
Alternatively, because "fair" is extremely cultural and subjective.
Not completely. The concept of fairness can be found on nearly every culture and was been show to be a universal element of human condition.
The concept yes, but what each human actually views as fair is highly subjective. I may consider it fair, that if you have a girlfriend and I don't, I should get to sleep with your girl once in a while. Somehow I doubt you nor her would agree.
I don't consider it fair that I'm taxed heavily on both income and capital gains so that large government welfare programs can be run so that certain parties can build huge amounts of "voting cattle" that vote to take increasing amounts of my hard earned money to give to people who waste it when I could get a nice return on it. However, about 40 - 50% of the population of the country I live in tend to think that's fair.
I don't consider it fair that I as a politically knowledgeable, highly educated and very well read person have the same influence on how the country is ran as my next-door neighbor who can barely spell his name. Apparently everyone in favor of democracy thinks that's fair.
Before I met my wife, I really would have gone in for that girlfriend sharing thing!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.
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12 Jul 2012, 2:38 pm
tuffy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
TM wrote:
Alternatively, because "fair" is extremely cultural and subjective.
Not completely. The concept of fairness can be found on nearly every culture and was been show to be a universal element of human condition.
The concept yes, but what each human actually views as fair is highly subjective. I may consider it fair, that if you have a girlfriend and I don't, I should get to sleep with your girl once in a while. Somehow I doubt you nor her would agree.
I don't consider it fair that I'm taxed heavily on both income and capital gains so that large government welfare programs can be run so that certain parties can build huge amounts of "voting cattle" that vote to take increasing amounts of my hard earned money to give to people who waste it when I could get a nice return on it. However, about 40 - 50% of the population of the country I live in tend to think that's fair.
I don't consider it fair that I as a politically knowledgeable, highly educated and very well read person have the same influence on how the country is ran as my next-door neighbor who can barely spell his name. Apparently everyone in favor of democracy thinks that's fair.
Before I met my wife, I really would have gone in for that girlfriend sharing thing!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.
I know, I know; I'm terrible.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
12 Jul 2012, 2:47 pm
tuffy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
TM wrote:
Alternatively, because "fair" is extremely cultural and subjective.
Not completely. The concept of fairness can be found on nearly every culture and was been show to be a universal element of human condition.
The concept yes, but what each human actually views as fair is highly subjective. I may consider it fair, that if you have a girlfriend and I don't, I should get to sleep with your girl once in a while. Somehow I doubt you nor her would agree.
I don't consider it fair that I'm taxed heavily on both income and capital gains so that large government welfare programs can be run so that certain parties can build huge amounts of "voting cattle" that vote to take increasing amounts of my hard earned money to give to people who waste it when I could get a nice return on it. However, about 40 - 50% of the population of the country I live in tend to think that's fair.
I don't consider it fair that I as a politically knowledgeable, highly educated and very well read person have the same influence on how the country is ran as my next-door neighbor who can barely spell his name. Apparently everyone in favor of democracy thinks that's fair.
Before I met my wife, I really would have gone in for that girlfriend sharing thing!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.
Please, you only need a lube up a communal tractor every 2 - 3 months of use. Plus, somehow the tractor seems much more suited to clearing the snow off my driveway.
12 Jul 2012, 3:07 pm
TM wrote:
tuffy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
TM wrote:
Alternatively, because "fair" is extremely cultural and subjective.
Not completely. The concept of fairness can be found on nearly every culture and was been show to be a universal element of human condition.
The concept yes, but what each human actually views as fair is highly subjective. I may consider it fair, that if you have a girlfriend and I don't, I should get to sleep with your girl once in a while. Somehow I doubt you nor her would agree.
I don't consider it fair that I'm taxed heavily on both income and capital gains so that large government welfare programs can be run so that certain parties can build huge amounts of "voting cattle" that vote to take increasing amounts of my hard earned money to give to people who waste it when I could get a nice return on it. However, about 40 - 50% of the population of the country I live in tend to think that's fair.
I don't consider it fair that I as a politically knowledgeable, highly educated and very well read person have the same influence on how the country is ran as my next-door neighbor who can barely spell his name. Apparently everyone in favor of democracy thinks that's fair.
Before I met my wife, I really would have gone in for that girlfriend sharing thing!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.
Please, you only need a lube up a communal tractor every 2 - 3 months of use. Plus, somehow the tractor seems much more suited to clearing the snow off my driveway.
You are like a real live Ibsen troll. Note to mods: that is not an accusation of trolling.
12 Jul 2012, 3:56 pm
tuffy wrote:
TM wrote:
tuffy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
TM wrote:
Alternatively, because "fair" is extremely cultural and subjective.
Not completely. The concept of fairness can be found on nearly every culture and was been show to be a universal element of human condition.
The concept yes, but what each human actually views as fair is highly subjective. I may consider it fair, that if you have a girlfriend and I don't, I should get to sleep with your girl once in a while. Somehow I doubt you nor her would agree.
I don't consider it fair that I'm taxed heavily on both income and capital gains so that large government welfare programs can be run so that certain parties can build huge amounts of "voting cattle" that vote to take increasing amounts of my hard earned money to give to people who waste it when I could get a nice return on it. However, about 40 - 50% of the population of the country I live in tend to think that's fair.
I don't consider it fair that I as a politically knowledgeable, highly educated and very well read person have the same influence on how the country is ran as my next-door neighbor who can barely spell his name. Apparently everyone in favor of democracy thinks that's fair.
Before I met my wife, I really would have gone in for that girlfriend sharing thing!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Protip: Women should not be used as communal tractors, it is not only unfair, they will not like it.
Please, you only need a lube up a communal tractor every 2 - 3 months of use. Plus, somehow the tractor seems much more suited to clearing the snow off my driveway.
You are like a real live Ibsen troll. Note to mods: that is not an accusation of trolling.
Be true to yourself and to hell with the world.
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12 Jul 2012, 8:47 pm
ruveyn wrote:
TM wrote:
The golden rule is self-referencing and somewhat narcissistic bs. Enlightened self interest yes, however you are wrong to assume that it's always in someone's "enlightened self-interest" to not screw people over.
The raises the problem of the Prudent Predator.
if you don't believe in karma, then nothing [but the self] matters, the golden rule becomes totally irrelevant to one's life. but as shakespeare said, [paraphrasing] it is the dread of what comes later on beyond the bend, that eventually puzzles the selfish will.
the prudent predators tried to do the best thing for the commons, despite the actions of a few selfish actors. that was the moral/ethical test which the prudent predators passed and which the selfish ones failed by not even trying to reach beyond themselves and their own selfish needs. this reminds me of the story about the scorpion [who "couldn't help himself"] and the frog. 
13 Jul 2012, 1:15 am
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13 Jul 2012, 7:38 pm
nominalist wrote:
I have noticed, in my last 5 years as a part of the online Autistic community, that many Autists are libertarian conservatives.
Conservatives, in general, dislike liberals. People like me, far leftists (socialists), are even more disliked. I suppose that makes me an unusual Autist.
Conservatives, in general, dislike liberals. People like me, far leftists (socialists), are even more disliked. I suppose that makes me an unusual Autist.
Really? While I do see a lot of libertarians on WP, there are still a great number of lefties like you and me.
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