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Do you believe God exists?
1) God is a being, that one can have a personal relationship. A person God. 30%  30%  [ 55 ]
2) God is an impersonal force that guides reality as it is. He decrees our laws of physics, but does not intervene to break them. 12%  12%  [ 22 ]
3) God does not exist. Reality can be explained by scientific inquiry and the scientific method in by itself. 33%  33%  [ 61 ]
4) I am not sure. There is the possibility that God does exist, or does not. We must follow the preponderance of evidence when drawing our conclusion. 25%  25%  [ 47 ]
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24 Mar 2016, 6:22 pm

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So in other words, you concede at this point, AspE?

Do you think the range of possible constants is infinite?


Yeah, I think AspE has conceded.

Do you really think that I used improper logic when forming my point?

You know, I met a cosmologist who believes that dark energy is the divine spirit of God. A 60 year old Mennonite that almost won the Nobel Prize in physics. Would you think his logic is more convincing?

I'm trying to use the Socratic method, would you mind answering the question? Is the range of possible constants infinite?



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24 Mar 2016, 6:23 pm

You don't get to do that... you can't just sit and ask the questions and knock down whatever anyone says... that is why we have identified you as a troll.


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24 Mar 2016, 6:38 pm

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You don't get to do that... you can't just sit and ask the questions and knock down whatever anyone says... that is why we have identified you as a troll.

I'm not breaking any rules. Is it so hard to ignore my posts? Deltaville is using some obscure physics terminology that takes time to research.

And I don't mind ignoring all your posts by theologian (master of fake knowledge) William Lane Craig, even though he's an apologist for genocide.



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24 Mar 2016, 7:08 pm

Thank you for giving me some insight into what you consider to be weighty sources.


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24 Mar 2016, 7:56 pm

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Thank you for giving me some insight into what you consider to be weighty sources.

It's just commentary. (the source is Williams' own words), he seems to think the Bible is a source of truth.



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This is one of the few debates I think Dr William Lane Craig lost, imo Parsons won it from a debate points scoring perspective. I also think he came close to losing against both Shelly Kagan and Stephen Law too. I think Craig was rattled a lot by Law's Evil God hypothesis, it was a very interesting debate for those that haven't seen it. It was part of his ReasonableFaith Tour in the UK some years ago. Shelly Kagan had Craig on the ropes with morality. Parsons I think actually did win though.



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24 Mar 2016, 8:10 pm

I can already predict what the response will be. I'm not an orthodox Christian, I don't have to answer to rigid dogmatic faith positions, God is a metaphor for everything, all religions are reflections in different ways of one ultimate truth, yada yada yada... In this way people can justify religion without having to respond to any particular religious statement.



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24 Mar 2016, 8:12 pm

AspE wrote:
I can already predict what the response will be. I'm not an orthodox Christian, I don't have to answer to rigid dogmatic faith positions, God is a metaphor for everything, all religions are reflections in different ways of one ultimate truth, yada yada yada... In this way people can justify religion without having to respond to any particular religious statement.

That's because there is no, nada, zero evidence for any religion...



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24 Mar 2016, 8:25 pm

He has never lost a debate. I have seen them all... most of them several times... I see him as a knight in shining armor. He is truly a genius.


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24 Mar 2016, 8:28 pm

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I can already predict what the response will be. I'm not an orthodox Christian, I don't have to answer to rigid dogmatic faith positions, God is a metaphor for everything, all religions are reflections in different ways of one ultimate truth, yada yada yada... In this way people can justify religion without having to respond to any particular religious statement.

That's because there is no, nada, zero evidence for any religion...

Sometimes a religion is just a set of practices that people think are good, for instance, vegetarianism, meditation, not hurting living things. I don't have a problem with that. It's just when they start asserting things for which there is no evidence that it becomes a problem for me. Of course, allowing such personal beliefs is a right, but often those beliefs are imposed on others. Collectively, such beliefs form a society that's not based on any respect for what's true.



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24 Mar 2016, 8:29 pm

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He has never lost a debate. I have seen them all... most of them several times... I see him as a knight in shining armor. He is truly a genius.

He just says there is a God. Do you want to defend that position at all?



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24 Mar 2016, 8:33 pm

I consider him to be one of my profoundest intellectual heroes and one of my most important spiritual gurus. These very debates are among the most crucial "sources" that catalyzed my own spiritual rebirth in 2012. I highly recommend every single one of them. They are very entertaining and educational.


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24 Mar 2016, 8:35 pm

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[url]Matthew 7:7 - “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."[/url]


No it won't. God seems to play favourites. Every child that has died from cancer or other illness, I'm sure had many prayers to God said for them, God turned his back on them.

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Have you read through Scripture and brought all your questions to God yet? If not, you are missing out on sooo much.


I admit I couldn't get through Genesis.....


So, what you're saying is that you will not pray, and will not read and explore the Scriptures? A simple yes or no will be adequate.


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24 Mar 2016, 8:58 pm

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I consider him to be one of my profoundest intellectual heroes and one of my most important spiritual gurus. These very debates are among the most crucial "sources" that catalyzed my own spiritual rebirth in 2012. I highly recommend every single one of them. They are very entertaining and educational.

Ok. What exactly did you find so convincing?