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25 Mar 2022, 3:12 pm

"10. According to the RF MoD [Russian Federation Ministry of Defense], at least 10 Ukrainian naval mines are now drifting uncontrollably in the Black Sea, posing a threat to shipping. And since their uncontrolled presence serves Russian ends, RF MoD will apply neither effort nor resources toward controlling them and thereby preventing injury to uninvolved third party civilians since civilians are nothing but expendable commodities of little to no consequence."


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25 Mar 2022, 3:18 pm

↑↑ The video's transcript reads like a 1950s newsreel from "Industry On Parade", full of superlatives and praise for "Dear Respected Comrade Kim Jong-un", and calling a simple test-firing of a missile a "miraculous victory".

There are not enough eyeroll smilies in the world to express my feelings over this presentation.

NOTE: "Industry On Parade" (USA: 1950-1960) promoted capitalist industrial production and typically ended with an anticommunist message.



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25 Mar 2022, 4:38 pm

^ Yes indeed.

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4. The main priority remains the preservation of the lives of the civilian population. [In territory of the republics where most of the fighting is, the population is mainly Russian.] Hence the tactics of high-precision strikes against the military infrastructure and armed forces of the enemy.
This would be blackly hilarious if civilians weren't being killed.

Here's some of that "military infrastructure" after those "high-precision strikes":

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At some point soon I think Russia will announce a Bush-like "mission accomplished" to save face and provide an excuse to back out of their mess. It's clearly not going well for them.


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25 Mar 2022, 4:40 pm

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. . . At some point soon I think Russia will announce a Bush-like "mission accomplished" to save face and provide an excuse to back out of their mess. . .
"Миссия выполнена" is pronounced, "Missiya vypolnena", in case you were wondering.



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25 Mar 2022, 5:09 pm

Fnord wrote:
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I'd read a big reason of the relative disorganization of the russian army is a lack of seasoned NCOs.
This is likely true (don't know if it is, but it makes sense).  I had heard that dictators (like Putin) tend to want generals and other senior officers to be competent enough to lead the troops, but not so competent that they could overthrow the dictator.  This lack of competence tends to trickle down to the enlisted ranks due to lack of training and motivation.  The end result being an army that looks good on parade, but that dances the Charlie Foxtrot on the battlefield.
Add widespread corruption on every level and standard of bullying to the point people are afraid to report bad news to their superiors.  Yep, it looks good on parades.
This is why I believe the ground forces of America and its allies would do a cake-walk across North Korea if open hostilities should ever break out.


Doesn't North Korea have nuclear weapons these days?

But that isn't the main concern.
China would undoubtedly intervene making the speculation moot.



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25 Mar 2022, 5:13 pm

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https://www.unz.com/proberts/nato-is-propagandizing-itself-into-war/



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25 Mar 2022, 5:39 pm

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25 Mar 2022, 7:11 pm

I just heard this 5 minutes ago.
Speculation is that pootin might be willing to settle for sections of East Ukraine.
As I mentioned previously, I think this might be pootin's way out.

Time will tell. 8)



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25 Mar 2022, 8:06 pm

Why should Ukraine and the rest of the world settle for that?


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25 Mar 2022, 11:44 pm

Just came across this,

The Sanction-Fueled Destruction of the Russian Aviation Industry
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26 Mar 2022, 5:14 am

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Why should Ukraine and the rest of the world settle for that?

No way.
This would mean Kremlin would use a decade or two to rebuild the military resources and try again.


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26 Mar 2022, 5:19 am

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^ Yes indeed.

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4. The main priority remains the preservation of the lives of the civilian population. [In territory of the republics where most of the fighting is, the population is mainly Russian.] Hence the tactics of high-precision strikes against the military infrastructure and armed forces of the enemy.
This would be blackly hilarious if civilians weren't being killed.

Here's some of that "military infrastructure" after those "high-precision strikes":

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At some point soon I think Russia will announce a Bush-like "mission accomplished" to save face and provide an excuse to back out of their mess. It's clearly not going well for them.

Not to mention this:
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The large white caption "CHILDREN" is still visible.


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26 Mar 2022, 5:28 am

^ That was truly shocking. A deliberate and unambiguous war crime, surely.


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26 Mar 2022, 5:38 am

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^ That was truly shocking. A deliberate and unambiguous war crime, surely.

Mizincew (I don't know official English latinization) has previously done similar things in Syria.
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It's a failure of our current civilization that we tolerate war crimes away from us and start seeing them only when they come close.


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26 Mar 2022, 6:04 am

https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-p ... ts/280012/

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WASHINGTON DC — Since the Russian offensive inside Ukraine commenced on February 24, the Ukrainian military has cultivated the image of a plucky little army standing up to the Russian Goliath. To bolster the perception of Ukrainian military mettle, Kiev has churned out a steady stream of sophisticated propaganda aimed at stirring public and official support from Western countries.

The campaign includes language guides, key messages, and hundreds of propaganda posters, some of which contain fascist imagery and even praise Neo-Nazi leaders.

Behind Ukraine’s public relations effort is an army of foreign political strategists, Washington DC lobbyists, and a network of intelligence-linked media outlets.

Ukraine’s propaganda strategy earned it praise from a NATO commander who told the Washington Post, “They are really excellent in stratcom — media, info ops, and also psy-ops.” The Post ultimately conceded that “Western officials say that while they cannot independently verify much of the information that Kyiv puts out about the evolving battlefield situation, including casualty figures for both sides, it nonetheless represents highly effective stratcom.”


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Among the propaganda constructs distributed in the dossier, is a video of the Snake Island incident, which was quickly proven false, in which Ukrainian border guards stationed on a small island were reported to have been killed after they told an approaching Russian warship that had urged them to surrender to “Go f*** yourself.” President Zelensky held a press conference announcing he would award the men the Hero of Ukraine medal as mainstream media spread the story widely. However, the supposedly-dead soldiers quickly turned up alive and well, proving their heroic stand to be a farce.

Another folder in the dossier is run by Ukrainian MFA graphic artist Dasha Podoltseva and contains hundreds of propaganda graphics submitted by artists in Europe and the United States.

Some feature generic “no war” messages, while dozens of other images celebrate “The Ghost of Kiev” – a heroic Ukrainian pilot who turns out to be non-existent – and the phony “Snake Island 13” incident.

Many use xenophobic and racist language, and some are explicit in their praise of prominent Ukrainian Neo-Nazis, including C14 leader Yevhen Karas, the Right Sector fascist paramilitary, and the Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion. Multiple images call for “Banderite smoothies” – a reference to Molotov cocktails named for the late OUN-B commander Stephan Bandera, who collaborated with Nazi Germany in the mass murder of Jews and ethnic Poles during World War II. Another image depicts a book titled the: ”Encyclopedia of Incurable Diseases,” listing Russia, Belorussia, North Korea, Syria, and Eritrea.


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