Multiculturalism

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Canadians aren't allowed to complain. Their "hate" crime legislation ensures people who oppose immigration have to be very careful what they say. I expect that also restricts what the media reports.

http://vodpod.com/watch/877781-mark-steyn-canadas-attack-on-free-speech
http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/proactive_initiatives/hoi_hsi/qa_qr/page1-en.asp

The Canadian mosaic topic

I think Mr Steyn is looking at Canada as an outsider, which, of course, he is.

I grew up in a very culturally diverse neighbourhood. Every colour, race, religion, ethnicity. I never noticed a difference until someone from another area pointed it out, rather negatively. I defended my neighbourhood (as a kid) and there was a sort of war and we won.

I thought it was natural that everyone was different. I just wish others would have seen my difference and not reacted negatively.

And we do complain--but not about trivial things. Canada works well enough for all of us to co-exist peacefully with good government. (The latter is what often gets our hackles up!)

But not our cultural diversity. We are a tolerant country.

+1

This defines my feeling exactly.



Disappear?..... Sorry Mr. Vibrator. I just didn't want to juggle the same debate on two different threads.



Wow..... We are different.

I was the EXACT opposite of this growing up. I had a Confederate flag flying proudly in my front yard. I felt and feel honored to be part of the far-right. I had a bumper sticker on my truck that stated, "Keep working, Millions on Welfare depend on YOU!! !."



Yeah.... Sure. You know nothing about us.



One can imagine.



Well, perhaps not racists, but definitely intent on shutting down anti-immigrant/minority opposition.

Basically, as you will see or have seen, all the multicultis do is keep hurling nebulous phrases at you like "peace love freedom," or, "you need to be more tolerant," at you until you shut up. Or they keep calling you racist until you shut up. Basically, they just try and crush you with some faux ultra-liberal arguement based around love and tolerance until you are sufficiently silenced, cowed, and shamed.



Why does it even have to work in the first place? Given that the governments in western countries are now little more than gigantic organisms to transfer money and power from whites to minorities. Multiculturalism is really a liberal code word for screwing over the white population. The UK should be run by Britons, for the benefit of native Britons; not run for the "rainbow coalition."

The whole stench of multiculti and diversity there is nauseating.



In these countries ethinc groups have lived side by side for thousands of years. In the UK..... 60 years. There is a difference between multicult in a country like Malaysia against a country like Britain. Most of the immigrants in the UK are recent, unwanted arrivals who had ought to be encouraged to go to their old lands.

In some 3rd world countries, for many years, ethnic groups living side by side were forced to coexist and tolerate eachother because they were part of a larger empire, like the Ottoman Empire or Hapsburg Empire. Or, they were being controlled by a foreign superpower like the Soviet Union that forced them to keep peace with their hated neighbors. But, we saw, for an example, when a "jailor Empire" like the Hapsburg's fell that was largely keeping ethnic tensions in check, the rivaling nationalities turned on eachother and settled old scores the first chance they got. We saw the same revival of ethnic strife in Eastern Europe after the Soviet Empire that had largely been trying to keep the peace collapsed.

The only thing keeping the peace in the UK between whites and non-whites is an effective government with strong police powers. If the UK was an anarchial state, the violence would be much more severe, like it was in Rwanda. Like I said, 3rd world countries like Malyasia, are indeed multicultural, but those areas have been multicultural for thousands of years and the modern boundaries of those nations were only recently drawn. Nationalities in those countries are likelier to live in clearly defined boundaries, while they are much less segregated in Britain and the USA. Different tribes and groups are likelier to have an "understanding" after being neighbors for thousands of years. Yet still, very often there is violence. Doubtlessly, there would be more ethnic violence in the USA if the central government was not so effective at squashing racial tensions.

Minorities have lived in the UK on this scale for 50 years. That is too short of a period of time to say diversity is "working."



Indeed, and the potential for conflict becomes greater when one or more of the ethnic groups is an unfamiliar, unwanted arrival. It is a nothing more than a cloaked invasion.



I would ask any objective reader browsing these threads, "Which side is really trying to do the quashing? Which side is really trying to prevent honest discussion?"



Well, racist against whites, perhaps.



You view this as a point-scoring contest as opposed to an actual debate.



Same in the USA, sadly. Unfortuantely it is "frowned upon" to discuss this problem openly. Most minority-on-white crime goes unreported. The liberal media is intent on keeping middle/upper-class white eyes closed to reality.



They should feel encouraged to do so.



Ahhh..... but all sides are not happy and there are many problems. Clearly, this wouldn't be such a divisive issue if all whites were "so pleased" to have these intruders. However, all we hear on the liberal news are "the wonders of diversity."



Yes and Yes



A big nasty melting pot boiling over on what used to be a nice, clean stove.

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Hrmph, Fuzzy, do you place Quebec near the center? cuz we are on the "east" coast. =/ Timezone and all.

Oh and just for kicks, i decided to do my last college class's project on Intolerance and fanatism, which is more or less related to ethnic troubles, wouldn't you people say? =P

No I wasnt counting by time zones. Quebecois society is considerably different from the maritimers society, correct?

I see the benefits of Multi-culturalism, having grown up in a Sikh/Muslim (I know right) area myself.So long as my country doesn't lose it's own histo-cultural identity in the process. Also I particularly like Indians not just cos I grew up with many but:
-Helped us win the Burmese campaigns in WWII
-Great food
-Seem to share a similar sense of Humour with Brits
-One of my best friends is a Sikh of Indian descent

I bet you ruffle some feathers with that one.

Yeah, we're somewhat different, but distance wise, we're not that far from the coast... =/ I reckon Nova scotia's the eastern most province we have in Canada, right? That would mean, we just need to hope through New Brunswick and we're there. =/

care to explain the Ustashe Nazis in WWII, who oppressed Serbs and ended up killing half a million of 'em? Same for the Bosnian Muslims. Also Tito was a Croatian who identified as Yugoslav.

EDIT: LOL the right-wing BNP guys are in the thread. Where's the first thread, I was looking for it. :/

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Good question.

Yes, and as long as Tito was alive, he suppressed any group that tried to take away from the 'Greater Yugoslavia' theme - GY was never fair and balanced with respect to how the groups were treated, but it had limits.

Ustashe, fustashe! The waves of karma have been sloshing around for a long time in Yugoland; some of the fighters were recently invoking battles from the 1400s to justify and celebrate their cause. I'm not arguing that the non-Serbs have always been angels ... merely that during the breakup period, the Serbs led the violence. They wanted a unified country dominated by the numerically advantaged Srbs.




It looks like at least one thread on the topic has disappeared - perhaps someone said something that someone else decided went too far.

I live in England, America, Sweden, Germany, France, Australia etc.

I know! Lets invite hundreds of thousands of black African Muslims to come and live in our country.

Never mind that we will become a minority in our own country within a generation.

We gotta be "multicultural", right?

Heck yes.......... We just gotta keep making our government work for the minorities instead of working for its actual citizens. Our government just has to protect all their privileges and make sure that they get plenty of welfare, handouts, free-lunches, busing, housing, and reverse discrimination. We gotta keep paying taxes to support millions of migrants who have no right even to be here in the first place. Go in for a job, but whoopsie, the foreign-exchange student or the "oppressed" inner-city kid got it instead. And remember, you gotta keep working like a slave at your McJob, because millions of minority welfare kings and queens are counting on you. And remember, it is virtually a crime to criticize them in any way, shape, or form, after all, they are "oppressed."

Their ancestors were slaves once upon a time, so that entitles them to virtually everything you own. They can ***** all while not one black-American has ever been a legal slave.

We just gotta keep busing them into our schools so they can form gangs to terrorize our kids and sell them drugs. We gotta love seeing our kids come home with nothing but Ebohistory assignments. We just gotta keep paying taxes to build Sec-8 housing for them in our neighborhoods so they can again form gangs and sell drugs. We just gotta love seeing them take our sisters and daughters out and having mixed-race babies with them. But remember, the liberals keep telling us we will be much happier when we are all one color and no one can spot a lick of a difference between any of us. Multiculturalism is a good thing, remember, even though no one can give a good reason why. We just have to love seeing our culture destroyed and our people bred out and wiped out, but if you try to fight back at all or even speak against it, it is a "hate crime."

Have you ever heard of a "love crime?"

How awful of us to pay out 65$ billion a year in foreign aid.

We have been clouded in ignorance all of these years, just wanting to stick with our own kind and have kids that will grow up to look like us. How wrong we were for assuming that people who were our same color and spoke, dressed, and acted like us were our compatriots more so than some scary foreigners who refuse to even uncover their face. How wrong we were for being Christian and patriotic. All these years, we were wrong for not wanting a cancerous Islamic influence in our countries. How arrogant we were to grant asylum to these "refugees," who promptly come here and demand that we worship their God or die, and we have to recognize their barbaric Sharia law code that is little more progressive than the code of Hamurrabbi. We are so arrogant and protectionist for putting their political candidates on shortlists for public office and making them the beneficiaries of very generous AA plans. The arrogance of us to call for "tolerance" while they parade 100,000 strong in Trafalgar square calling for "Death to England." The government lets them call for jihad and arrests our counterprotesters for "disturbing the peace." We have to keep funding and tolerating our destruction.

Tolerance is little more than a liberal code word that says, "You have to sit by and take it while you see your country get destroyed by foreign invaders." You see, the 3rd worlders realized that it was just easier to invade by flooding us with unarmed immigrants as opposed to an impossible military conquest. And by god they are winning, thanks to sellouts in our government and educational systems. You can thank our materialistics and feminists, who created a generation of spoiled, entitiled female princesses who refuse to have any children to keep the race going. You can thank abortion, feminism, and birth-control for the reason that the birthrate across the EU is 1.3.

"Race does not matter," say the liberals, "Color us all human." Well, many whites no longer care about race or cultural preservation. American Idol is much more interesting. However, our enemies still do care about race and they are much more militant, disciplined, and organized than we are. As long as our enemies care about these things and our religious and cultural differences, we will have to care about them too. I don't deny that all people are indeed genetically the same, but differences have developed after 1000's of years of separation that cannot be reconciled. They aren't genetically different, but the Africans and Muslims are different culturally from us, and the clash will inevitably result in one culture being exterminated. The Muslims and Africans just have less respect for the sanctity of human life, less respect for democratic and accountable government, and no respect for human rights. As far as cultural development, they are where Europe was in the Middle Ages. If they take over Europe and America, they will usher in a new Dark Ages that could last for 1000 years. Whites may not care now, but they will care 30 years from now when gangs drive out to the suburbs to round them up for genocide, like they do now in South Africa. Germans still seem to treat their new minorities like some type of exotic pets, but we made that mistake in America. Godzilla was once a tiny lizard. All of these adopted African babies and small enclaves of Muslims are going to mature and reproduce into virulent gangstas and gangs that will be out for our destruction. They won't be able to say that grandpa didn't warn them.

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Yeah well, current Europeans for the most part think that their minorities are just interesting exotic pets. Madonna, Brangelina, and thousands of other upper-class whites who are adopting these foreign kids are planting the seeds of their destruction. All of these future thugs and thuggettes are being raised in these wombs instead of German mothers choosing to have their own kids. Well, they will be sorry 30 years from now. Even if Germany does become majority-black, the blacks won't be true Germans, they will just be black people living in Germany.

I was amazed, when I was in Heidelberg when I was in the Army. There were SO MANY blacks and Muslims on the street of this German city, I could have easily mistaken myself for being in Pakistan, Harlem, or Somalia, if not for the Teutonic architecture. I probably saw more minorities than I saw acutal Germans in some parts of the city. Parts of Heidelberg literally feel like a part of Turkey, Africa, or an American urban slum. I want to be in Germany for German culture, not for some diversimush.

Yeah, won't it be great to go to Europe and see nothing but minorities. I like to go to Ireland, for example, and see Irish people. Won't it just be wonderful when no country is indistinguishable from the next. Well, actually, China and Pakistan will still be the same. Only Europe has to be destroyed. Yeah, I can't wait to travel to Al-Francais, Al-Alemania, Al-Netheriabia, Al-Swedabia, and Al-Englabia, and so on.



WooHoo!! !! !! !! !! !! ! They can trash our countries like they trashed theirs.

lol given the original black muslims in those countries were INDIGENOUS black people who converted. (Nation of Islam)



Yeah, there were cases when he cracked down on 'reformists'.



I see. I guess the borderline discusion on a second american civil war based off race got to some people..




Or they post evidence, sources and personl ancedotes. Or they point out the historical baggage of what people who thought as you did ended up perpetruating.



Goalpost moving? You originally stated multiculturalism was being forced only on the western nations. When we pointed out South and East Asia as counters you switch to this.



Care to explain India or Pakistan? How are they intact as nations and not at each others throats? Especially re. India?



Again if that was true i'd be paid for college completely.

Not to mention the whole world controlled by rich white people. And Class inequity/'old boys network'



Contradict much? First you b***h about them getting job preferences and then you b***h about them being on welfare. Make up your mind



like Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly did?



yes. drug laws, age of consent laws, etc.



LOOL. Like 'Manifest Destiny' was code-word for 'kill and take the natives' land?'

WHERE DID THE OTHER POSTS GO

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Guess so...

I think multiculturalism a a concept, in theory, is a very good idea. It enriches a culture and broadens the view of citizens. However, in practice it often goes wrong, mostly when the cultures have totally different opinions on ethics, politics, the role of religion in politics etc. Multiculturalism is theoretically spoken a nice thing, but when two or more cultures in one country differ too much and significantly on essential subjects, it goes wrong. There will be tensions or even a civil war. Look at Africa.