who likes G.Bush any way?

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I still say we take all money out of welfare (besides that for disability) and put it into pel grants and other things to promote education to promote that they get off of dependancy.

I say we take all the money away from the government that they don't need and give it back to the people. There are no greater leeches on tax payers than the politicians.

And then we can put it into education which can help prevent some need for Welfare as well as other educational programs. We should also put more money into other aid programs. We can also figure out how to create and sustain more jobs.

I'll agree with you that welfare, if done right, could be a good thing - and I've been in favor of ripping apart the system completely and rebuilding it from the ground up. To use a really crappy analogy, if life is a swimming pool, welfare should be swimming lessons instead of waterwings.

I've just never seen any serious attempts by mainstream Democrats (Clinton, Dean, Kennedy etc) to make any of these changes you're saying the Democratic party could make. While there's several Democrats I'd gladly vote for over Republicans (Obama), the ones with the party backing just aren't actually making any improvements - they're just throwing more taxpayer money at it. Money that, as a small business owner (sort of), I can't afford to have taken from me.

I get carried away with the anti-Democrat sometimes because just thinking of Hillary and Teddy makes me so angry my hands and arms shake so badly I can't type, but I'm not really anti-Democrat and if the parties actually ran along the lines they're supposed to, I'd probably vote Democrat more often than not. I just, right now, see the Republicans as the lesser of two evils, because the Democrats are going to take my money, give it to the people that vandalize my apartments and do absolutely nothing for me.

Hehe, and I see the Republicans as the people who rob the poor to give to the rich.

Shall we just abolish the whole governmental system and start over? Because I agree, both parties are corrupt. I vote Democratic because I feel Democrats tend to do less damage than Republicans to the general population (the rich are not included in this "general population"). And my voting goal these days is simply to vote in those who I think will do the least amount of damage within 2 or 4 years. I'm realistic. I no longer think to myself, "I'll vote in those who will do this country good!" LOL!

Sad that such cynicism has become reality...

People need essentials.
We need food, water, clothing and shelter.
What is the best way to guarantee that everyone will recieve these essentials?

Elimanate the fundimental economic problem of scarcity , or elimanate all nonneeds so we can produce more needs hmmm.

You know...that's not such a bad idea. And it is something the Founding Fathers did have in mind...

From the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. -- The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States."

I, personally, would like to secede my apartment from the United States of America and begin my own country. Is there a bare minimum of people as to what constitutes a country? And will I need a passport in order to leave my apartment?

They did that on one of the Fox cartoon once (Family Guy I think), didnt work out too well for them America invaded.

I'm more curious about what would happen if the country were to suddenly rise up and plainly tell the Bush administration to just leave.

The Country: "Um, George, we would like you to take your cabinet and leave."
Bush: "No."

I can see it happening.

The country could theoretically force Bush out of his office if enough power if concentrated upon that goal. We have tried to impeach presidents in the past mainly for the reason that we did not like them. President Johnson(I think?... errr the guy who became president after lincoln was shot) was almost impeached for violating a law that congress just made up to freeze lincoln's cabinet in place even though the president really should have control over his own cabinet. Congressmen being fearful for public office would probably back a movement to remove Bush from office if it was popular enough(it has to be really really popular and fanatical). However, in the real world the country could not remove Bush because there are enough people who would not go to that extreme in wanting Bush out and out removed. Most people accept his election as legitimate and would not deny him his final 4 years.

It would be just my luck I'd end up being invaded and become a territory of the United States.

But I wonder if that means I'd still have to pay rent... Probably. Ownership is ownership I guess.

By no means do I love Bush, but I don't hate him as much as I used to. Just for the fact that it is 2006 and we aren't blown to pieces by nukes is reason enough to cut him some slack.

Ah, but he's still got half a term left to get us all killed.

I approve of the president, I voted for him in 2004 and was a volunteer (I made phone calls to people to get them out to vote). Also I got to see Bush speak at a rally. I don't agree with everything he has done but overall I think he's done an good job.

I don't like Bush, but I still prefer him to Kerry.