Florida Christians protest atheist billboard
Americans have their own peculiar problems. Getting them to respond to danger is like herding squirrels. It is not easy to do. On the other hand we do not have the accumulated rot of Europe (most characterized by the French, who are a disgusting lot). The European who best understood America was Alexis de Toqueville who wrote a book on the subject. I discovered the best way to deal with my countrymen is not to expect too much from them. That way I am almost never disappointed and I am sometimes pleasantly surprised.
We are a silly nation, but we have enough sense to have saved Europe twice from destruction, brought about by its own corruption and mendacity. Basically, Americans are more honest and less cynical than Europeans.
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Unlike campaigns in Europe which included the slogan “there probably isn’t a god,” the Florida campaign says “Being a good person doesn’t require God. Don’t believe in God, you’re not alone.” According to the Christians in the area, saying that non-believers can be good people discriminates against Christians.
Here’s where it gets even weirder: the residents object because (and I’m not making this up) African-Americans live in the area, and a shop owned by a born again Christian is nearby.
Local media reported that Team of Life community activist Essie “Big Mama” Reed brought her students out to protest it Wednesday afternoon.
“Nothing else matters, but that sign needs to come down. In the name of Jesus,” Big Mama chanted, as she led her students in protest.
She said the sign affects something much deeper than business. “I don’t know the reason for putting this sign up,” said Big Mama. “It says ‘Do not believe in God.’ How are we going to make it? Look at our schools, everyday. Everyday there’s something going on. Kids are out here killing each other, kids are here using drugs. Who else are they going to believe in?”
The atheist group behind the sign rightly pointed out the hypocrisy in the protestors, saying that they would like the community to show them the same tolerance they fought for during the civil rights era. “The women and blacks in this neighborhood, they’ve been discriminated before, in the recent past, as early as 30, 40 years ago,” a spokesman said “and yet, they have no problem discriminating against another group, whether it be gays or atheists.”
Atheists = your new African Americans.
Well, I'm just happy I don't live in America.
Big Mama, here's a new and unique idea to try to wrap your head around - not everything on this planet is about you.
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Americans have their own peculiar problems. Getting them to respond to danger is like herding squirrels. It is not easy to do. On the other hand we do not have the accumulated rot of Europe (most characterized by the French, who are a disgusting lot). The European who best understood America was Alexis de Toqueville who wrote a book on the subject. I discovered the best way to deal with my countrymen is not to expect too much from them. That way I am almost never disappointed and I am sometimes pleasantly surprised.
We are a silly nation, but we have enough sense to have saved Europe twice from destruction, brought about by its own corruption and mendacity. Basically, Americans are more honest and less cynical than Europeans.
ruveyn
Were.
moving the bbcode to clarify...at least i think. that was the intended portion, right?
and i agree. which is why i want to get out of this corrupt state of either crook or loser.
i just want to be able to be honest, work hard, and enjoy life.
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i just want to be able to be honest, work hard, and enjoy life.
Amen! I prefer virtue to love.
ruveyn
Torquemada had the identical aspiration.
But he carried it far beyond reason.
ruveyn
Right. Not like you who salivates over the prospect of nuclear bombing all Moslem nations.
Right. Not like you who salivates over the prospect of nuclear bombing all Moslem nations.
We did it to the Japanese between 1942 and 1945. It worked out just fine. We are better off and so are the Japanese (the ones who survived). There is nothing wrong with killing one's enemies and God damn the collateral damage.
But this is off the main question. Virtue and Good Manners matter more than Love.
ruveyn
Right. Not like you who salivates over the prospect of nuclear bombing all Moslem nations.
We did it to the Japanese between 1942 and 1945. It worked out just fine. We are better off and so are the Japanese (the ones who survived). There is nothing wrong with killing one's enemies and God damn the collateral damage.
But this is off the main question. Virtue and Good Manners matter more than Love.
ruveyn
Virtue, like beauty and goodness and truth and quite a few words usually bandied about by philosophers and clowns and theologists is a fuzzy cloud of a word distilled from personal likes and cultural hypocrisies for the entertainment of high school sophomores to be eternally debated about to no result whatsoever except the enrichment of the people who produce potato chips and cola drinks and some beer.
All those mothers sitting at home caring for their children in Hiroshima when the bomb dropped probably would be mystified over your concept of good manners.
It's like the disclaimer on the stock prospectus says: "Past Performance Is Not Indicative of Future Results."
And the Scandinavian countries are consistently rated by international businessmen as more honest than the US. Southern Europe? Not so much.
All those mothers sitting at home caring for their children in Hiroshima when the bomb dropped probably would be mystified over your concept of good manners.
Sh*t happens and collateral damage is a b***h. Such are the infelicities of war. The women and children of Hiroshima paid for the sins of Tojo and his fellow thugs.
I give you a fine lesson in the infelicities of of war. Conan. What is best?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30tyaXv6EI
ruveyn
All those mothers sitting at home caring for their children in Hiroshima when the bomb dropped probably would be mystified over your concept of good manners.
Sh*t happens and collateral damage is a b***h. Such are the infelicities of war. The women and children of Hiroshima paid for the sins of Tojo and his fellow thugs.
I give you a fine lesson in the infelicities of of war. Conan. What is best?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30tyaXv6EI
ruveyn
Thanks for being explicit. It's bleakly ironic that a Jew should find his ideals in the morality of Fascist Germany.
All those mothers sitting at home caring for their children in Hiroshima when the bomb dropped probably would be mystified over your concept of good manners.
Sh*t happens and collateral damage is a b***h. Such are the infelicities of war. The women and children of Hiroshima paid for the sins of Tojo and his fellow thugs.
I give you a fine lesson in the infelicities of of war. Conan. What is best?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30tyaXv6EI
ruveyn
Oh......now you've upset Worf!
With that kind of logic, how will you justify if the same should happen to you and the innocent?
Aren't you setting a bad example in what we don't want to happen....again?
Kind of reminds me in how the Geneva Convention was abused only it didn't involve nuclear bombs....
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Thanks for being explicit. It's bleakly ironic that a Jew should find his ideals in the morality of Fascist Germany.
Not at all. Read what the tanach (hebrew bible) specifies for Cananites and the other nations to be overrun and driven out.
Also from the Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 72A): If he is coming to murder you, rise up early and slay him first.
The early Hebrews were as fierce and nasty as Islamic fanatics are today. Fifteen hundred years being kicked about in the Exile has produced a different attitude among Jews, but there is nothing peace loving about Judaism. Read the book. Jews are now willing to live at peace with those who are peaceful toward them.
It comes down to basics:
Treat your friends well, kill your enemies and be honest in business.
Turning the Other Cheek is strictly for the Goyim.
And not just Jews either:
Americans are generally slow to fight, but once at war they are a nasty lot. Look at what we did to Japan. We also did a number on Germany as well. The Allies killed over one million "civilians" in air raids. That means women and children along with males. Look at what W.T.Sherman did to Georgia during the Civil War and what Phil Sheridan did to the Shenandoa Valley. Americans are like the Incredible Hulk. You wouldn't like us when we are angry.
ruveyn
The early Hebrews were as fierce and nasty as Islamic fanatics are today. Fifteen hundred years being kicked about in the Exile has produced a different attitude among Jews, but there is nothing peace loving about Judaism. Read the book. Jews are now willing to live at peace with those who are peaceful toward them.
It comes down to basics:
Treat your friends well, kill your enemies and be honest in business.
Turning the Other Cheek is strictly for the Goyim.
I have read the book. You are right about the early Hebrews, but not about the book.
"For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord." Ezekiel 18:32
"Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it." Psalm 34:14
"It is to a man's honor to avoid strife, but every fool is quick to quarrel." Proverbs 20:3
"Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence." (introducing the flood story) Genesis 6:11
"When a man's ways are pleasing to the Lord, he makes even his enemies live at peace with him." Proverbs 16:7
"Better a patient man than a warrior, a man who controls his temper than one who takes a city." Proverbs 16:32
"Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice," Proverbs 24:17
"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink." Proverbs 25:21
Neither of these were a case of "rise up early and slay him first". Nor a case of unprovoked violence.
If you want examples of unjust American cruelty, why not talk about Native Americans, or slavery?
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I have no quarrel with confronting a murdering force and opposing and destroying it but to purposely and with clear intent vengefully kill helpless people indiscriminately is clearly a war crime under international agreement. The term "collateral damage" is the militarists verbal excuse for insane murder. If a bank robber killed a batch of civilians and stole money he is not merely convicted for the money stolen but held fully responsible for the murder involved. Unnecessary killing is a basic crime. Hiroshima was not a military target. Dresden was not a military target. And in our current wars the wild murder of wedding parties and funeral processions is not in pursuit of actual terrorists but the claim that there were terrorists after the fact is in the same order of the frequently corrupt practice of the police shoving a gun into the pocket of an innocent bystander who had been shot down in mistake. Very clearly the stumblebums who shoot innocents only arouse huge hatreds in a local population that knows better and only generate more resistance than it supposedly conquers. It is a huge military tactical error.
