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14 Oct 2009, 5:27 am

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Fbthew is really a woman, because surely such a subjective and irrational post cannot have emanated from the male of the species

Unless, of course, she's a particularly ironically(\viciously) humoured woman who purposefully posts subjective and irrational posts to watch men draw subjective and irrational conclusions from them.

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14 Oct 2009, 8:58 am

Nope, his profile says he's a dude. It could be a woman who is lying about being a man, but I don't see good reasons to suppose that.

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14 Oct 2009, 9:18 am

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Why are women so irrational, subjective and hyper emotional?
Is it nature or nurture?
I say its nature.

I say it's men. You drive us crazy, you testosterone charged hunks of smelly socks and ear hair.

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14 Oct 2009, 9:56 am

Ok, can we all stop with the biologically or culturally determined roles please? -.- From what i heard during my classes (because i do pay attention), genes are important, BUT culture is almost as important, as it allows you to learn and bypass gene influence.

The way your genes will act is pretty much like a computer's response. If you press a key (or a certain amount of keys on your keyboard) a certain result will happen right? (such as ctrl +alt + delete for starters), this is basically the same thing with genes, although the "keys" here are stimuli coming from your environment.

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14 Oct 2009, 11:06 am

Just to clarify, I was joking about about Fbthew being a women, reversing the argument in an ironic fashion.

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genes are important, BUT culture is almost as important, as it allows you to learn and bypass gene influence.

Absolutely. Using the word 'man' or 'woman' to explain behaviour is basically explanatory useless. The chances are there is not a single generalisation that you could ever make about female behaviour that would not also be true or at least one man (if not many). Same true for men.

If you want to make generalisations like this, state the circumstances. For example, why do many (say, 25%) 16 to 60 year old western women place so much emotional value on shoes?

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14 Oct 2009, 11:22 am

phil777 wrote:

The way your genes will act is pretty much like a computer's response. If you press a key (or a certain amount of keys on your keyboard) a certain result will happen right? (such as ctrl +alt + delete for starters), this is basically the same thing with genes, although the "keys" here are stimuli coming from your environment.

I am not sure that genetically determined roles are irrelevant. I mean, can culture affect gene expression? Sure. Can culture even overhaul culture to a significant extent? Sure. But, I do think that genetics is relevant, and that a good amount of personality(which seems related to this topic) is actually biologically determined.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... abs=892881

I would imagine that if personality has a high level of genetic determination, then the use of specific mechanisms like reason would also be genetically determined to a significant extent, and I would also imagine that sex personality differences are real rather than just cultural inventions.

Certainly one must avoid suggesting that there are female and male essences in which all females and males partake of respectively, but I doubt that genetic and evolutionary accounts for differences are outright wrong.

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14 Oct 2009, 12:55 pm

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So thats a vote for 'nature' from this one.

that was a joke dude! I find overly emotional women just as puzzling as you do.

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14 Oct 2009, 2:26 pm

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I say it's men. You drive us crazy, you testosterone charged hunks of smelly socks and ear hair.

I resent that. My socks never smell because for some reason my feet are always cold even in the middle of summer in Southern California. Since my feet do not perspire they NEVER smell. As for my ear hair I burn it with a lighter every week.

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14 Oct 2009, 4:13 pm

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Nope, his profile says he's a dude. It could be a woman who is lying about being a man, but I don't see good reasons to suppose that.

AG I was being sarcastic.

I find such generalisations as expressed by the OP worthy only of contempt and derision. Maybe I should construct an argument against such stupid opinions but I really cannot be bothered.

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15 Oct 2009, 10:16 pm

I recommend:
The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine

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15 Oct 2009, 10:29 pm

psychointegrator wrote:

I recommend:
The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine

I read that, sounds similar to a lot of what Alison Armstrong would say - just dove much more into the neurochemical and hormonal. Even with some of the science hotly debated (sometimes for political reasons) I still fail to see how denying that gender internal realities are different is needed for equality, if anything denying them just keeps the genders from understanding each other appropriately - though yes, I'd imagine divorce attorneys would have a vested interest in the status quo of purported 'political correctness'.

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15 Oct 2009, 10:30 pm

I find humanity has a species to be irrational and over emotional and most of all illogical.

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15 Oct 2009, 10:30 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Fbthew wrote:

Why are women so irrational, subjective and hyper emotional?
Is it nature or nurture?
I say its nature.

Why are obvious trolls so obvious?
Is it an inability to be subtle with trolling or just generally being boring?
I say it's probably the latter.

A troll? or is he just a particularly subjective, irrational and naive poster. I am waiting for a him to post something rational and objective. Unlesssssssss????? yes that must be it!! !! !! !! ! Fbthew is really a woman, because surely such a subjective and irrational post cannot have emanated from the male of the species

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15 Oct 2009, 10:31 pm

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I find humanity has a species to be irrational and over emotional and most of all illogical.

That's the paradigm of the human condition - the intellect weighed down by the animal.

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16 Oct 2009, 2:48 am

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Bedazzled and My Best Friend's Girlfriend were both great movies. I think the fine point that a lot of people miss is that overbearing behavior is overbearing behavior - being on the receiving end of someone being so nice that it seems completely arbitrary, for long stretches of time is...well...really annoying and out of touch.

A while back I was working on the roof of a high rise building. It was a very hot and still summer day. The heat was so “overbearing” that it was “annoying”. It gets hot like this for “long stretches of time” in Southern California. I was wishing that there was at least some breeze to cool me off when a crazy idea just popped into my head. There was a way that I could get some breeze and wind even. All I had to do was jump off the roof and for a few seconds I would have all the breeze and cooling I wanted. Needless to say I never jumped off because that would have been “irrational”.

Yes that was an exaggerated and graphic example of what “irrational” is and so was that clip from the movie Bedazzled. . However in subtler ways some people jump off the roof every day and that is “the fine point” that I wanted to make.

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16 Oct 2009, 5:07 am

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mgran wrote:

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I say it's men. You drive us crazy, you testosterone charged hunks of smelly socks and ear hair.

Well, my solution is simple... I don't wear socks! Moohahaha! (oh, in case anyone was wondering... I was joking about men driving me crazy... actually, I have more problems with irrational women myself!)

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