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?Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.?
Adam Smith
just a couple of points:
ASPER wrote:
Corporatism is corporations controlling the State, Communism is State controlling the means of production. They both operate in the same State-Corporate cycle of market control.
communism doesn't necessarily imply the state controlling the means of production. libertarian communism, for example, proposes the complete abolition of the state. what you seem to be missing is the possibility of public, or collective, ownership.
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The market existed since humans started exchanging goods and services between each other.
A FREE market cannot and has not existed from the moment the State was running the show.
A free market has no regulation, one of the main functions of the State is to regulate the market.
A FREE market cannot and has not existed from the moment the State was running the show.
A free market has no regulation, one of the main functions of the State is to regulate the market.
i am not sure that i understand how the market would function without a state. who would enforce the property rights of individuals? is this not one of the main functions of the state?
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?Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.?
Adam Smith
peebo wrote:
just a couple of points:
communism doesn't necessarily imply the state controlling the means of production. libertarian communism, for example, proposes the complete abolition of the state. what you seem to be missing is the possibility of public, or collective, ownership.
i am not sure that i understand how the market would function without a state. who would enforce the property rights of individuals? is this not one of the main functions of the state?
ASPER wrote:
Corporatism is corporations controlling the State, Communism is State controlling the means of production. They both operate in the same State-Corporate cycle of market control.
communism doesn't necessarily imply the state controlling the means of production. libertarian communism, for example, proposes the complete abolition of the state. what you seem to be missing is the possibility of public, or collective, ownership.
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The market existed since humans started exchanging goods and services between each other.
A FREE market cannot and has not existed from the moment the State was running the show.
A free market has no regulation, one of the main functions of the State is to regulate the market.
A FREE market cannot and has not existed from the moment the State was running the show.
A free market has no regulation, one of the main functions of the State is to regulate the market.
i am not sure that i understand how the market would function without a state. who would enforce the property rights of individuals? is this not one of the main functions of the state?
"Public ownership"
Determined by who? The majority? The mob... A central planner? The State.
..."Oh you have too much land you greedy capitalist, we iz gonna take it away from you!"... Something like that I guess.
Private property establishes itself thanks to an intersubjective consensus.
Without this simple agreement there will always be wars and robberies.
Why would I need the State to protect my property?
I can hire a private firm to protect my stuff, and if anyone tries to take it I would like my firm to shoot them dead. That's-it for the guy who though stealing was right.
...In contrast, the State jails the thief, he might never pay a penny back to the robbed, he would meet other criminals in prison, get angry at "the system" and probably be more of a criminal than he already is when he comes out.
TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:
^^this being the minimal definition of the state: bodies of armed men which enforce the interests of one group over another
Protecting the property of their clients not taking anything from anyone.
As I mentioned, if there is no intersubjective consensus there will be conflicts.
What we have today is lazy people with a victim complex who want a group of thugs(the State) to take the property of a group and give it to them(This is called "Welfare").
I think people should have the right to hate who they want.
If they deliberately use violence, punish them for the violence.
I don't think they should be let off the hook just because they attacked white people.
If you kill someone to take their shirt is that a "fashioncrime" and therefore better than if it were a completely random act of violence?
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Protecting the property of their clients not taking anything from anyone.
As I mentioned, if there is no intersubjective consensus there will be conflicts.
What we have today is lazy people with a victim complex who want a group of thugs(the State) to take the property of a group and give it to them(This is called "Welfare").
As I mentioned, if there is no intersubjective consensus there will be conflicts.
What we have today is lazy people with a victim complex who want a group of thugs(the State) to take the property of a group and give it to them(This is called "Welfare").
yeah i wasn't talking to you...
TheOddGoat wrote:
I think people should have the right to hate who they want.
If they deliberately use violence, punish them for the violence.
I don't think they should be let off the hook just because they attacked white people.
If you kill someone to take their shirt is that a "fashioncrime" and therefore better than if it were a completely random act of violence?
If they deliberately use violence, punish them for the violence.
I don't think they should be let off the hook just because they attacked white people.
If you kill someone to take their shirt is that a "fashioncrime" and therefore better than if it were a completely random act of violence?
Like [non-violent] "Hate crimes", "Cyber-bullying" and "Holocaust denial".
Some groups think because others have these ridiculous privileges they should have them too for their own group.
Makes people a bunch of complaining sissies just because they can't take some criticism.
And not only that but it discourages honesty.
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If you kill someone to take their shirt is that a "fashioncrime" and therefore better than if it were a completely random act of violence?
the point of calling something a 'hate-crime' is to identify the motivation for it - often race hatred. that's a strawman also, you don't need to look into it much to grasp that the killer would not only be locked up for the murder but would probably be labelled a highly dangerous psychopath.
TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:
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If you kill someone to take their shirt is that a "fashioncrime" and therefore better than if it were a completely random act of violence?
the point of calling something a 'hate-crime' is to identify the motivation for it - often race hatred. that's a strawman also, you don't need to look into it much to grasp that the killer would not only be locked up for the murder but would probably be labelled a highly dangerous psychopath.
The hate doesn't make it any worse of a crime though, any aggression will generally be about hate for something.
If someone shoots you and you hate all people who shoot you, would retaliation be a hate crime? Even though they did something to you first, your motivation would still be hating a group of people for no reason other than that they shoot you.
As an American living in the UK I have to deal with things like "the only good american is a dead one" and people celebrating 9/11 as a great day fat americans got what they deserved being said to my face. Race hate is fine, as long as you don't attack me whatever the motivation is.
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The hate doesn't make it any worse of a crime though, any aggression will generally be about hate for something.
If someone shoots you and you hate all people who shoot you, would retaliation be a hate crime? Even though they did something to you first, your motivation would still be hating a group of people for no reason other than that they shoot you.
As an American living in the UK I have to deal with things like "the only good american is a dead one" and people celebrating 9/11 as a great day fat americans got what they deserved being said to my face. Race hate is fine, as long as you don't attack me whatever the motivation is.
If someone shoots you and you hate all people who shoot you, would retaliation be a hate crime? Even though they did something to you first, your motivation would still be hating a group of people for no reason other than that they shoot you.
As an American living in the UK I have to deal with things like "the only good american is a dead one" and people celebrating 9/11 as a great day fat americans got what they deserved being said to my face. Race hate is fine, as long as you don't attack me whatever the motivation is.
unfortunately we have our share of the ingorant and idiotic.
no, how is someone shooting you even remotely analagous? do me a favour and please try to exercise a little intelligence - its a 'hate' crime because the person comitting the crime does so solely because they hate the victim on grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation; the motivation of the attacker is the very fact that they hate the target for their skin colour/sexual preference/etc etc.
race hate is usually defined by the attacking part.
TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:
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The hate doesn't make it any worse of a crime though, any aggression will generally be about hate for something.
If someone shoots you and you hate all people who shoot you, would retaliation be a hate crime? Even though they did something to you first, your motivation would still be hating a group of people for no reason other than that they shoot you.
As an American living in the UK I have to deal with things like "the only good american is a dead one" and people celebrating 9/11 as a great day fat americans got what they deserved being said to my face. Race hate is fine, as long as you don't attack me whatever the motivation is.
If someone shoots you and you hate all people who shoot you, would retaliation be a hate crime? Even though they did something to you first, your motivation would still be hating a group of people for no reason other than that they shoot you.
As an American living in the UK I have to deal with things like "the only good american is a dead one" and people celebrating 9/11 as a great day fat americans got what they deserved being said to my face. Race hate is fine, as long as you don't attack me whatever the motivation is.
unfortunately we have our share of the ingorant and idiotic.
no, how is someone shooting you even remotely analagous? do me a favour and please try to exercise a little intelligence - its a 'hate' crime because the person comitting the crime does so solely because they hate the victim on grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation; the motivation of the attacker is the very fact that they hate the target for their skin colour/sexual preference/etc etc.
race hate is usually defined by the attacking part.
We know that. "Hate crimes" exist but some people want laws to be made about persecuting people for hating, saying hateful things, verbal-cyber bullying and the like.
This is something like "thought crime" out of George Orwell's 1984.
Or that other movie from Tom Cruise, Minority Report.
TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:
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If you kill someone to take their shirt is that a "fashioncrime" and therefore better than if it were a completely random act of violence?
the point of calling something a 'hate-crime' is to identify the motivation for it - often race hatred. that's a strawman also, you don't need to look into it much to grasp that the killer would not only be locked up for the murder but would probably be labelled a highly dangerous psychopath.
I can't tell from your post whether you agree that the law should recognise "hate crimes" as a category or not.
Here is a good article from Pravda in Russia that explains what hate crime laws are really about.
(How ironic the Russian press in now more free than our own when it comes to discussing such things.)
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Stanislav Mishin, Pravda, December 10, 2009
Throughout the totalitarian West, the Marxist internationalist elites, while busily flooding their countries with tens of millions of third worlders, have introduced specific measures to keep the native populations down and in check.
These measures have come in the form of Hate Crimes Laws. The laws state that a crime is not just a crime if we can find a deeper motive, such as hate of a specific race, sex, religion or sexual orientation. Thus the Lords of Humanity have given themselves the power of God to know what is inside the hearts of men.
In practical terms, what this means is 1. A murder is not just a murder if hate is involved. Say again? This means certain lives are worth more than others, a protected class, another insult to Christ and justice. 2. If the local jury trial is considered to lenient, then those globalist elites of the West can try the person again for “hate” or rather in actuality for the same crime, twice. Again, an insult to justice that Western serfs bow, grin and bare.
But this gets worse, since in practice, the elites decide who is a racist and who is not, they use these laws sparingly to keep the native population down, shackled and paranoid of the knock on the door.
In America, anti white violence is exploding, an average of 12 people per day are killed by their illegals and three times more whites and Asians are killed by blacks than vice versa. The same can be found in England. The head of the Justice Department, Hader, even stated that he approved the double standard used on whites. He did this in front of a parliamentary committee, with no real out cry by the totalitarians. As if any should be expected.
When five blacks kidnapped a white couple, raped and murdered the man, than kept the woman for further rapes and poured bleach down her throat to kill her, there was no hate crime, even though those five became the idols of black racist groups in American. When blacks in Los Angeles target Koreans for robbery and murder, also nothing. Nor when Mexican gangs ethnically cleanse one street after another. When Islamic Pakistanis in England beat an Anglican priest almost to death, in front of his church and screamed how they were going burn down the church, or when other Islamics poured acid in the face of a raped school girl, nothing happened. No hate crimes. When Islamic Turks murdered the white, Christian boyfriend of a Turkish girl, in Germany, not a hate crime. When Arabs and Pakistanis in Athens attack and burn Greek Orthodox businesses, not a hate crime. When the director van Gogh is brutally murdered by an Islamic assailant, not a hate crime. However, his Dutch film, showing the plight of the women under Islam, beat and abused, well, most definitely that is a hate crime . . . the film, not the wife beating, that’s just quaint multiculturalism, supported by the Western femiNazis, who have a secret lusting for this type of treatment.
Luckily, in Russia, Ukraine, Serbia and all none EU, none West Christian nations, this idiocy does not exist. Murder is murder, regardless of what is felt by the killer and defense of the local culture is paramount.
Westerners, truly I believe, you deserve this, since the vast majority of you take it and swallow it, like the good little castrated serfs you are. Enjoy your extinction, as you loaf around on your Chinese couches.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/111032-0/
Throughout the totalitarian West, the Marxist internationalist elites, while busily flooding their countries with tens of millions of third worlders, have introduced specific measures to keep the native populations down and in check.
These measures have come in the form of Hate Crimes Laws. The laws state that a crime is not just a crime if we can find a deeper motive, such as hate of a specific race, sex, religion or sexual orientation. Thus the Lords of Humanity have given themselves the power of God to know what is inside the hearts of men.
In practical terms, what this means is 1. A murder is not just a murder if hate is involved. Say again? This means certain lives are worth more than others, a protected class, another insult to Christ and justice. 2. If the local jury trial is considered to lenient, then those globalist elites of the West can try the person again for “hate” or rather in actuality for the same crime, twice. Again, an insult to justice that Western serfs bow, grin and bare.
But this gets worse, since in practice, the elites decide who is a racist and who is not, they use these laws sparingly to keep the native population down, shackled and paranoid of the knock on the door.
In America, anti white violence is exploding, an average of 12 people per day are killed by their illegals and three times more whites and Asians are killed by blacks than vice versa. The same can be found in England. The head of the Justice Department, Hader, even stated that he approved the double standard used on whites. He did this in front of a parliamentary committee, with no real out cry by the totalitarians. As if any should be expected.
When five blacks kidnapped a white couple, raped and murdered the man, than kept the woman for further rapes and poured bleach down her throat to kill her, there was no hate crime, even though those five became the idols of black racist groups in American. When blacks in Los Angeles target Koreans for robbery and murder, also nothing. Nor when Mexican gangs ethnically cleanse one street after another. When Islamic Pakistanis in England beat an Anglican priest almost to death, in front of his church and screamed how they were going burn down the church, or when other Islamics poured acid in the face of a raped school girl, nothing happened. No hate crimes. When Islamic Turks murdered the white, Christian boyfriend of a Turkish girl, in Germany, not a hate crime. When Arabs and Pakistanis in Athens attack and burn Greek Orthodox businesses, not a hate crime. When the director van Gogh is brutally murdered by an Islamic assailant, not a hate crime. However, his Dutch film, showing the plight of the women under Islam, beat and abused, well, most definitely that is a hate crime . . . the film, not the wife beating, that’s just quaint multiculturalism, supported by the Western femiNazis, who have a secret lusting for this type of treatment.
Luckily, in Russia, Ukraine, Serbia and all none EU, none West Christian nations, this idiocy does not exist. Murder is murder, regardless of what is felt by the killer and defense of the local culture is paramount.
Westerners, truly I believe, you deserve this, since the vast majority of you take it and swallow it, like the good little castrated serfs you are. Enjoy your extinction, as you loaf around on your Chinese couches.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/111032-0/
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We know that. "Hate crimes" exist but some people want laws to be made about persecuting people for hating, saying hateful things,....
yeah, liberals do this because they can't put an argument against racism and they've no interest in identifying and dealing with the root causes thereof.
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I can't tell from your post whether you agree that the law should recognise "hate crimes" as a category or not.
i don't necessarily need them as not only am i white i can put an arguent against racism and racists - you of all people should have some idea of that codarac - nor do they do anything to actually put an end to it. That Pravda articel must be badly translated, i mean for one thing they call the UK ministry of justice the 'justice department' and spell the name of the head thereof 'Hader' rather than 'Straw', surely it can't be, like, made-up hack-work can it?
i mean, this? "supported by the Western femiNazis, who have a secret lusting for this type of treatment. "




are you being ironic in putting that pointless bit of propag*cough*....'article'...forward or what?
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