Sarah Palin to become Fox News commentator

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Oh, I wait in lines here too. My son is ill, so I call my doctor, he can't be seen until next month, so I have to take him to the emergency room, and wait there for two or three hours before someone sees my child. Yea, our health care is AWESOME!

The difference between Canada's health care and ours, is that Canada covers all of it's citizens, and even permanent residents.

I have friends and family in Canada. They have way less to complain about than what I hear from Americans across the country.

Don't compare Canada to USSR. That's really lazy.

Have you actually read the CNN article? Most of its text is spent rebutting the assertions that are made about waiting months for critical surgeries. The lead profile is certainly an example of treatment gone sideways, but it is not the general experience for health care in this country.

Canadian governments spend US$ 400 less per-capita than US governments do on health care, and with that spending we manage to provide universal, medically-necessary care to all Canadians. We have a lower infant mortality/under 5 mortality rate(4.8/5.9 per 1000 live births in Canada vs. 6.3/7.8 per 1000 live births in the USA) (UN Population Division) and a longer life expectancy (80.7 years) than the United States (78.2 years) (CIA World Factbook, 2009).

The poll results presented by Rocky also suggest that Canadians are more satisfied that Americans or Britons about the availability of low cost health care (by a very large margin) and about the quality of health care (by a smaller margin). Don't insult our collective intelligence by suggesting that we are too isolated from the world to know what we are missing. We are well aware of the contrasting availability, cost and quality of care. Over 80% of us live within 200km of the border and are presented with ongoing demonstration of the strengths and the weaknesses of the American health care system through media reports and personal experience during visits to the United States.

As for lines and rationing, the only time that I can recall lines or rationing in Canada was for flu vaccination this year, where demand was extremely high. Yet every Canadian who wanted seasonal flu or H1N1 vaccines has received it, or has ready access to it. (Canada has the highest rate of H1N1 vaccination, globally).

Be a shill for the private sector medical establishment, by all means--but don't pretend to understand what is happening in another country when the emprical data does not support your unfounded assertions.

I did. Did you catch the part in the end where despite all the lathering CNN (understandably, given their liberal slant) does in the article, they're still forced to admit that

" Still, people can wait for months, or even years, for elective surgery.

Wright's friend Rick Hession has a heart condition that could cause a stroke, but he has a three-month wait or more for an operation to help correct it."

Also. the Crowder video with hidden camera was not staged, either.



Yes, Canadians spend less on healthcare. Probably because they do less tests ? As for the other assertions in that sentence, they're highly subjective.



Correllation is not causation. Americans are known to have some of the worst health habits in the world. The U.S. is one of the fattest countries on this planet. People's lifespans and mortality rate of their children depend dramatically on how they take care of their own health, therefore nobody should be able to link this to quality of a country's healthcare while keeping on a straight face.

Did you really expect me to buy this ?



Subjective as I said earlier. It is very hard to find people who have equally been on both sides of the fence for prolonged periods of time, so that they can objectively evaluate their SATISFACTION with both systems.



Yeah, such as those of you who come to America to get surgeries you can't get in Canada.



H1N1 was blown widely out of proportion and still had caused less or comparable amount of casualties to regular flu. I'm not sure what the ability to give a free shot to 25% of population is supposed to signify, exactly, but its not a direct indicator of quality healthcare by any means. In America we give a lot of free shots to a lot of people.



By empirical data you mean your attempts to link lifespans and flu vaccinations to quality of healthcare ? Thanks for the chuckle.

Monsterland.... for the record, Americans travel to Asia to get surgeries they can't afford to get here, so it really doesn't matter if a few Canadians come here for whatever reason.

Average US emergency room wait time: 4.05 hours
Average Canada emergency room wait time: 8.9 to 23 hours

(scratches head)

Sigh.

Source? Please don't source Fox News, lol.

True, correllation is not causation, but that does not exempt the factual demonstration that Canadians live longer, and Canadian infants and children have a lower mortality rate, and we accomplish this by spending far less that the United States on health care.

Bear in mind, health care is not limited to services of physicians, nurses and related professionals. Health care includes education, public participation in sport, fitness and recreation, nutrition and security of the food supply. The "fact" that the United States is one of the fattest countries on this planet (and Canada is not far behind) does not change the fundamental observation that we achieve better outcomes with less.

If encouraging one Canadian to exercise means that one less Canadian requires emergency care for cardiac disease, that is still a positive health care result, even if it did not require a physician's intervention.

what are your references for those statistics?

That sounds great. Fox News is already so horrendous at journalism that it could be compared to North Korea State TV. Which is outright Propaganda. Face it Fox is not news.

http://www.pressganey.com/galleries/ED_ ... Report.pdf

http://www.waittimealliance.ca/June2009 ... 2009_e.pdf

Funny, I said this about ABC when they gave our Fearless Leader 1 hour to have an infomercial about the health care reform, with cherry-picked questions, where they say there are 46 million "uninsured" in America and everyone just swallows the lie.

Now, that's a nice little step toward Soviet Union/North Korea type dictatorships where "news programs" were controlled by the government.

Fox, thankfully, is not. That's why the government (and networks worshipping it) smear it.

While we're still making funny claims, let me point out that voting Democrat has been proven to cause cancer.

Monsterland, you've got to be kidding if you think Obama is anywhere near Lenin, or the mainstream media is anything like Soviet state propaganda. I see this type of reaction occasionally in Soviet ex-pats: they have an extreme reaction against socialism and develop extreme (often psychotic) right-wing views, leading them to demonize centrists and liberals. Ayn Rand is probably the best example of this phenomenon.

Fox "News" is more like a right-wing blog than a news station. The last time I happened to catch a bit of Fox on TV, they were absurdly claiming that in response to the failed Yemeni underwear bombing, the DHS terror alert level had been raised to yellow. That's patently impossible, as the terror alert level has never been below yellow- it's been at "orange" since 2006. It's just like 1984, when the chocolate ration was "raised" from 30 grams to 20 grams.

Nice try at marginalization, but there's a ton more Americans in America than ex-Soviets who have the same views. We're the canaries in the mine in a country half of which is asleep at the wheel.

"You've got to be kidding" is not a valid rebuttal to, well, any facts about Barack Hussein Obama - from his self-admitted ties to Marxists and Communists, to his dear friend and spiritual advisor for 20 years being one step removed from Adolf Hitler... among others.

A man influenced by a radical leftist Saul Alinsky, and a man whose community projects were co-funded by a terrorist Bill Ayers.



No news outlet is perfect, and flaws can always be picked. What matters is the gross total of their output, and as such, for instance, Fox News provided some of the most (or at least, comparably) balanced electoral coverage.

I live in one of the most conservative regions of the country and am surrounded by right-wing radicals all the time. Trust me, you don't want to cite these people agreeing with you. It doesn't help your case at all to say that a pack of morons believes the same as you do.

I wasn't so much trying to marginalize you. I just find this reaction among so many ex-Soviets (even some educated ones) to be interesting. It's curious to see people who lived under Soviet rule go off with absurd misunderstandings of socialism- it's a strange lack of perspective to equate minimal social welfare programs with the dictatorship of the proletariat.


Please, everyone who spends time in academia (and Obama was a law professor) will have spent some time hanging out with a couple champagne socialists. I've had professors who used to profess Marxism. And the 60s were a popular time for crazy political views in the US, and that's when Ayers was active in the Weather.

Honestly can you grasp this concept. Bill Ayers was not a terrorist. Although he was a part of the Weather Underground he has never commented any act of violence or vandalism. His girlfriend at the time blew herself up while creating a bomb, However Ayers was not invilved. To to mention the concept if the Weather Underground was to damage buildings. Not People. Ayers was never convicted and is today a respected professor at a university in Chicago. Not to mention he was on a education commission appointed by Nancy Reagan Not to mention Ayers has a good education and so on.

Secondly Obama is not a Marxist. He is a 3rd-Way Democrat who is no different than a black Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Even Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont who is currently the most liberal senator and the only politician in America of the Socialist label is not considered a Marxist or really stress Marxist believes.

One thing that I really get pissed with is how the Right-Wingers in the U.S who say that everybody who is Center-Left is a communist. That then entire continent of Europe embraces "European Socialism" and so on. Just because you believe in a government that provides for its people doesn't mean its "Socialist." It just means that the government and the tax payers are looking out for the people of their own country. Making sure everyone has a proper education, fair judicial system, Freedom, Roads and Infrastructure, Social Safety-Net and what not. Hell Thomas Jefferson wanted that when the U.S was founded in 1787. Socialism as told by Karl Marx is far different than what most non-soviet European countries and left-leaning Americans are trying to do.

If you ACTUALLY picked up "The Communist Manifesto" you'll see that not everyone who is center-left is a socialist. Like the Fixed Noise Channel will make you believe.