The false attack on the RC church

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Do you think that the names of accused priests should be given out rather than priests who are found guilty? Anyone can make an accusation whether true or not. The pope and has done a lot to improve the problem, as abuse has declined dramatically since the 1980s.

You are assuming doubt about the regular transfer of pedophile priests to new places where they can continue their abuse of children. There is no doubt.

Yes, lets be fair then.

It was the whole of Jew-dom that was tarred and feathered. Nobody is saying boo about the Catholic laity, and not even so much about the priests as a whole.

The flak is coming down hard on the management, the deal makers, the string pullers. What nobody is really saying, and they should, is that the pope and his italian cronies are subverting the process of law in numerous foreign states. That would be casus belli if it were anyone but the head of a major religion. But he doesnt give two squirts of s**t about international law any more than he does about American, Canadian, Dutch, German or Irish criminal law. Not even church law. Since hes infallible, he gets to rewrite it.

All he needs to do is show some leadership and turf those who are being sheltered. Come clean. Take it like an organization of men and get it over with. Instead, he makes it impossible for the average person to discern a good priest from a bad one. People over imagine unseen dangers. If some pitbulls attack children, am I going to expose my children to any pitbulls at all? Of course not. The whole of the priesthood is suspect by association with the bad priests. All the Catholic management needs to do is disassociate the bad ones from the innocent by defrocking and exposing them.

But they wont. Because once you admit a bit of the truth, the rest tends to unravel as well. I'm betting that too many people know too much, for too long, with the wrong kind of reaction. They are stuck in a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation. The church is held ransom by the fact that if they defrock their dirty laundry, some of those ex priests will say what THEY know. They might even be inclined to make s**t up.

Instead, they leave the wolves hidden among the sheep.

Its not over. Stuff is still being covered up. The Wisconsin diocese, in opposing that law amendment, have basically admitted that it that they will lose more money if it passes. Do you think that the Vatican doesn't know by now about whatever the Wisconsin gang are afraid of? Where is the honesty there? It cant be more than 1 or 2 priests, right?

Some answer indeed. Sure, we are all sinners. But someone placed in spiritual authority over others ought to know better. To whom much is given, much is expected.

We Protestants aren't guiltless either. Jimmy Swaggart is a CLASSIC case, and I feel that no minister who treads roughshod over the Word of God and his flock should be charged with such a high esteem.

But one thing I do know: In my church, if staff members are caught in error, things happen. One partial reason why I even have my position is the other possible candidate had been involved in a scandal that eventually broke up her marriage. When I asked about this, which had happened years before I arrived, I was told that putting her at the front of a worship service would cause an uproar that would likely cause church members to leave. I know a preacher, in fact, who once fired a youth minister because pornography had been found on his office computer. I have to be constantly on guard because it would take so little just for one person to stir people up against me (though I'm well enough liked this would take a long time).

There are churches that take morals VERY seriously. This kind of behavior should not be happening at all in the RC Church.

I am not in favor of bad behavior but the constant uproar both in and outside of religious organizations of the universal pleasure people innocently gain by sexually stimulating themselves with visual material is one of the outstanding idiocies of human society. A huge bulk of advertising, entertainment, and more direct approaches is intimately entwined in all human activity and it is one of the universal pleasures of being sexual animals. And it is also very financially profitable. Another indication that a great many people are not entirely sane.

Think of it this way. I know how fond you are of scientific endeavors. Think about how you'd feel if someone you knew, loved, trusted, and respected, and of whom you were deeply familiar with his work, one day published some research in a peer reviewed journal. I don't mean something silly like whether sea snails have toenails. I mean something truly groundbreaking, world changing--even apocalyptic. The most brilliant discovery of our time. The entire universe seems to make sense. World peace becomes a reality. Sheep lying down with lions. Until someone else finds a flaw. Not just a flaw. Falsified information. Skewed results. Bias. Inaccurate reporting. Improper testing procedures. Getting paid by a corporation to misrepresent information in order to better sell a product. The world breaks out in chaos. Someone pushes a button. Nuclear weapons fall from the sky.

You'd be disgusted, right? You'd begin to wonder if your favorite scientific mutual admiration society magazine is even worth the paper it's printed on. You'd want answers. But most of all, you'd hope that this guy never gets published again. The only job you hope he'll ever get is selling his new, innovative vacuum cleaner on QVC, IF THAT.

Same way with church leaders. We want them--nay, we NEED them--to be the highest example of spiritual authority we can get in a single human being. With us Protestants, that means keeping a family together, not messing around with Sister Susie because she makes the best pecan pie (which is a lie, because NO ONE likes her pie anyway), and CERTAINLY not picking up prostitutes (he ain't "witnessing" to 'em) or downloading porn. They are in the unfortunate position of having to live to an impossible standard. If they don't at least try, then they aren't much of leaders or examples. If a priest/pastor/minister can't handle that kind of accountability, they need to find a secular job that doesn't carry quite that amount of moral weight.

It seems you are against paying to get laid. I suppose if you can get it for free there is something in that. Admittedly, prostitution has its evil activities but nature has a way with sexuality that, like hunger and thirst, the motivations get pretty strong. I have never tried getting involved with a prostitute but it seems to me a mutually agreeable session wouldn't do anything unfortunate to either party and not have anything to do with what a religion might regard as good or evil. And looking at interesting sexual pictures is probably one of the most innocent of activities that harms no one and is a very cheap good time.

Which is, you know, kinda beside the point. And I found the original post to be almost as crazy as "gays caused the holocaust." The victimization of acolytes happens often enough in the catholic religion that it's safe to point fingers. It's not just a few incidents.

Ah, more indeed. It seems 3 priests allegedly abused 10 kids in Malta.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8627429.stm

Its omnipresent, its world wide.

The dirt just keeps coming.

This kind of behavior should not be happening anywhere, in a church, outside of a church. It is just plain bad behavior.

ruveyn

But completely condoned by the church. Look at this link where a Columbian Cardinal praises a French bishop for covering up the confession of a priest.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 826601.cms

The you agree with me. It is the condoning and the stonewalling and the attempts at cover-up that is the greater wrong. Do you agree with that?

ruveyn

I agree with that.