New Arizona Law called "fundamentally racist."

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Apparently, you are not familiar with the Arizona law and where it oversteps federal laws, or the waste inherent in those instances where efforts are duplicated. A sensible policy is the best route; what we have is the worse of all worlds.


M.

Equal justice under law is not racist, nationalist, Nazi, our immigration laws are the law of the land, and we the people are demanding that they be enforced. All other countries do enforce the law.

Illegal entry is a crime, and for many that is just the first. Kidnapping is booming in places where there are lots of illegals, murder, and this is a Mexican import we can do without.

Without law enforcment, who do you turn to when someone from your family is kidnapped?

The slippery slope here is when some laws are not enforced, soon none will be.

A close look at Border Patrol records will show they also bag Asians, North Africans, Europeans, who use the Mexico route, for many could net get a tourist visa then overstay. That is the most common form, not sneaking through the desert, that is the path of people who would be arrested at the border for other reasons.

People seeking Freedom in America are doing it to avoid spending a lot of time in prison where they are from. They are seeking a new start where their face, fingerprints, and record are not known. Moving about, changing their name, they vanish. The behavior that brought them here does not change.

Not speaking the language, having no ID, they cannot work in most places, rent a place to live, so they push their way into the language community they can hide in, and those are the people who think something should be done.

Anglos are a minority along the border, and the 70% who favor the law in Arizona are not all Anglos. They want these people out, but standing up to them will get you killed It is why we have special people trained to deal with problems.

The sole purpose of government is to secure the borders and protect the citizens.

If what you have does not do that, does not enforce all laws, it is not a government of the people, it is just a special interest group selling permissions to some.

The word for that is Treason.

Uh, there are quite a lot of non-citizens of the USA who have come here the legal way. If you apply for citizenship, confirmation still takes months at best.

This law requires citizens of the United States, both native-born and legal immigrants, to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times or risk arrest and incarceration on suspicion of being illegal immigrants.

Sounds more like the USSR than the USA to me...

But that is not a right. It is a legal privilege.

ruveyn

The forefathers who claimed this land for you thought it was their right, though there was no legal basis to take it from the original inhabitants, ruveyn. It is easier to feel good about one's beliefs when one chooses to ignore the negative instances and examples, it seems... again, I see issue being the hole in the economy, not the people. These are people I work with, these have been students in my classroom - they are not the problem. My solution is somewhat radical: national marijuana legalization and taxation to remove motivation for border crossing; restrict transfer of funds over international borders; create a streamlined work permit process that includes a right of first refusal for citizens over visitors; take a harder line with Mexico regarding equitable rights on both sides of the border. But these people that I hear so much fearmongering about are not the majority, or even commonplace - they are the result of media saturation and sensationalism. The law being put in place is more appropriately compared to the 1930s than civil rights movements.


M.

Thank you for your critique, I can see I was not as succinct as I could have been.
Let me try again?

Should we assume a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, or is a person guilty until they can prove themselves innocent?

that was what I was trying to express.

thanks

Jan Brewer's(the governor of Arizona) approval rating is up from 40% to 52% after the passage of this law and is now leading in the polls in her own bid to be elected governor. (she took over for Janet Napolitano)

Interesting.

Damn right.! They took it by force and they killed many of the original dwellers of the land to make it their own. As the German philosopher Nietzche wrote: Die Mach ist das Recht. Might is Right.

So if any outsiders want to come in they will come in opposed by law and by armed force. The original European settlers had no right to this land, so they took it by force. Get used to it. That is the way the world works. If they can overcome our armed resistance then it is theirs, not ours.

ruveyn

Actually, they will just have more children than those more recent settlers have . There is a reason the abortion opponents are so damn militant.

Merle

I find your philosophies sickening, ruveyn. If that is your world, keep it; if mine comes thus, I will leave it. Might only makes capable - right has nothing to do with it. Your own arguments not only endorse the wars in the Middle East, but the attacks on the US as well. Just repulsive.


M.

what if we put an ellis island type place in the desert. would mexicans actually want to be american citizens. if they legitimatly want to be here, do it legally. if your here just to send money home, then thats a crime. cause not only are you taking jobs from americans your taking jobs from mexicans that want to become legal citizens.

seriously is it that hard to come to this country legally?

Actually, yes it is. It would be interesting to create a simplified process (not immediate) for citizenship and limits on monetary transfers - at least contingent on the restrictions being lifted on property ownership and employment in Mexico.


M.

uh. . .what jobs are they takin? Cutting lettuce? Picking green beans? Slaving in steaming canning factories? Shelling shrimp with freezing hands Living twelve to a studio apartment hot bedding (beds always full of whomever is not working that shift) and eating off a hotplate?

I had a conversation with a woman from Britain and she said the Pakistanis are their Mexicans. I am old enough to remember when black people were the Mexicans of that day. . .

my point is, if there were no jobs here that we couldn't fill with citizens here , other people, illegal or otherwise, wouldn't be here doing them.

i know a moss farmer in the tennessee mountains that would love to have those jobs. that little money that illegals make is still more than that moss farmer makes. at what point are we forced to stop helping the world and start helping our own people.

i live in illinois along one of the biggest fault lines on the planet. i can garentee you we souldnt get half the turn out that hatie got

The moss farmer would find those jobs if he left those Tennessee mountains like the guys from south of the border did, too. I have had to move (coming this June) three times just to keep the one job I have, from Medford to Salem and now to Portland.

Face it, if you had fruit today, thank an immigrant worker for picking it, if you had chicken, thank an immigrant worker for butchering it, if you have a family member that you are having them taken care of, chances are you should thank an immigrant worker. The system is set up that way! But yet people want to blame the ones with the least power for the problem.

that is like the Ayatollah blaming women that don't wear the chador for earthquakes.

Blame and chastise the powerless for the sins of the system, yeah, that's the ticket!
that will fix it!