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27 May 2010, 11:00 am

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the telephone company was broken up in 1986.


And it's quickly coalescing again. If you look at it, Verizon and AT&T are basically two parts of Ma Bell and they have the largest portions of the pie....a duopoly instead of a monopoly. The illusion of choice.

On the other points, I think the tendency to point to the deregulation and the lack of movement on Obama's part plays in with the failure to act on the few existing regulations. It's part of a greater overall problem of government being too cozy with large multi-national corporations and letting them essentially self-govern and, in some cases, self-legislate. This becomes a failure on the part of the government to do the basics in terms of protecting property rights and other businesses.


That may be. My point was that de-regulation cannot be blamed on either Bush administration. The New Deal has been unraveling incrementally for the last 25 or 30 years. Good riddance.

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The New Deals created a great nation and made for the only president ever to make 4 terms.


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27 May 2010, 11:52 am

For the record, Elizabeth Birnbaum, head of the Minerals Management Service, the government agency with oversight responsibilities for oil drilling, resigned today under pressure:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/ ... 24812.html

She was appointed by the Obama administration in July 2009. Her previous stint in the executive arm of government was at the tail end of the Clinton administration. She was conspicuously absent from government during the Bush administration, having a job with an environmental group:

http://www.mms.gov/ooc/newweb/directors ... rector.htm

The world definitely needs environmental advocates, but they may not be the best choices for posts that require working knowledge of the oil industry.



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27 May 2010, 12:10 pm

skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
the telephone company was broken up in 1986.


And it's quickly coalescing again. If you look at it, Verizon and AT&T are basically two parts of Ma Bell and they have the largest portions of the pie....a duopoly instead of a monopoly. The illusion of choice.

On the other points, I think the tendency to point to the deregulation and the lack of movement on Obama's part plays in with the failure to act on the few existing regulations. It's part of a greater overall problem of government being too cozy with large multi-national corporations and letting them essentially self-govern and, in some cases, self-legislate. This becomes a failure on the part of the government to do the basics in terms of protecting property rights and other businesses.


That may be. My point was that de-regulation cannot be blamed on either Bush administration. The New Deal has been unraveling incrementally for the last 25 or 30 years. Good riddance.

ruveyn


The New Deals created a great nation and made for the only president ever to make 4 terms.


The last thing a Republic needs is an Elected King for Life. The problem of 4 terms has been fixed. Nipped in the bud, as it were. FDR was a Fascist with a Smile.

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27 May 2010, 12:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
the telephone company was broken up in 1986.


And it's quickly coalescing again. If you look at it, Verizon and AT&T are basically two parts of Ma Bell and they have the largest portions of the pie....a duopoly instead of a monopoly. The illusion of choice.

On the other points, I think the tendency to point to the deregulation and the lack of movement on Obama's part plays in with the failure to act on the few existing regulations. It's part of a greater overall problem of government being too cozy with large multi-national corporations and letting them essentially self-govern and, in some cases, self-legislate. This becomes a failure on the part of the government to do the basics in terms of protecting property rights and other businesses.


That may be. My point was that de-regulation cannot be blamed on either Bush administration. The New Deal has been unraveling incrementally for the last 25 or 30 years. Good riddance.

ruveyn


The New Deals created a great nation and made for the only president ever to make 4 terms.


The last thing a Republic needs is an Elected King for Life. The problem of 4 terms has been fixed. Nipped in the bud, as it were. FDR was a Fascist with a Smile.

ruveyn


With the powers the president had at the time, he wasn't anywhere near king. With the powers he would have had now, he would have. Bush 1.7 was much more a king with his decrees than FDR.


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28 May 2010, 9:36 am

Me to BP. Here's mud in your eye.

By the way, this Gulf oil leak is Barak Obama's Katrina.

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28 May 2010, 10:09 am

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Me to BP. Here's mud in your eye.

By the way, this Gulf oil leak is Barak Obama's Katrina.

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You know...regardless of who's what it is: it's still my state getting f****d over by poor leadership.


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28 May 2010, 12:33 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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Me to BP. Here's mud in your eye.

By the way, this Gulf oil leak is Barak Obama's Katrina.

ruveyn


You know...regardless of who's what it is: it's still my state getting f**** over by poor leadership.


First Huey Long. Then Katrina. Now the Oil leak. Times are hard in LA.

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28 May 2010, 1:46 pm

Indeed. But i'm sure the people of LA are tough enough to handle it by now. =.= At the very least they can tell themselves that with Haiti, they're not alone in their misery (maybe that was a bit of a bad taste comment...I'll edit it out if you want. <.<).



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28 May 2010, 1:49 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Me to BP. Here's mud in your eye.

By the way, this Gulf oil leak is Barak Obama's Katrina.

ruveyn


Agreed. And it has hit close to home for me. I have a gig on the coast in October that coincides with our wedding anniversary. We're definitely heading down to New Orleans for a day or two before we head to wherever it is (Pascagoula, I think).

So far Mississippi hasn't really been affected at all--not like CNN makes it out to be, but I wonder if it's only a matter of time. I enjoyed getting out on the beach in Gulfport last year. We're wondering if there will even BE a beach this year.

Even the lawyers down here--Mississippi seems to be the litigation capital of the US--are starting to make phone calls to people on the coast so they can put their class actions together. Not even waiting for BP to make an offer. The lawyers will get all their millions while someone on a shrimp boat who will be out of work for at least the next year or two trying to make it on that $35 check from the class action!



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28 May 2010, 4:44 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Me to BP. Here's mud in your eye.

By the way, this Gulf oil leak is Barak Obama's Katrina.

ruveyn


You know...regardless of who's what it is: it's still my state getting f**** over by poor leadership.


First Huey Long. Then Katrina. Now the Oil leak. Times are hard in LA.

ruveyn
huey long was the best thing to happen to this state and probably the last great leader it's had.

The duke vs edwards election was a horrifically dark time, though. "Vote for the crook, it's important." How messed up is that??? A klansman or a professional corporate crook.


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30 May 2010, 8:20 pm

This will become even more of a problem once hurricane season
"official" starts on Tuesday.

A fix, according to NBC, won't be in place for a few days.

Then what?

In opinion, BP doesn't really care about this,
instead, they only care about making a profit out of this mess.

This is BP's fault, not the fault of the Obama Administration.

Me to BP: Here's more mud in your eyes!

BTW, no one has a clue when the rig will
run out of oil.


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30 May 2010, 8:58 pm

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BTW, no one has a clue when the rig will
run out of oil.

That well is estimated to hold 50 million barrels or 2.1 billion gallons.


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31 May 2010, 2:15 am

Apparently, operation Topkill failed, they're going to try again and clog up the well with concrete and then drain it, but if it fails, it could open the crack even more, causing more damage. The only other solution is to set up another station that would pump from that source, thereby limiting the damage, but apparently even if it starts now, it wouldn't be done until august. =/



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31 May 2010, 2:32 am

They are going to try and install a cutoff valve on the well while they continue drilling relief wells, so there is still a chance that the oil will stop leaking before august.


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31 May 2010, 7:34 am

I hope nobody gets the bright idea of using an underwater nuclear explosion to stop the leak.

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31 May 2010, 9:49 am

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I hope nobody gets the bright idea of using an underwater nuclear explosion to stop the leak.

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That would be beyond idiotic.


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