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31 May 2010, 12:19 pm

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You're basically saying since we don't know exactly what's going to happen in the future, we shouldn't have a discussion about it, nor should we even begin to question conventional notions, for any reason. I see. Thanks for responding!

I said no such thing. What we know now is by no means flawless, improvements can and probably will be made. What I consider to be pointless are claims about some future technology when current knowledge says it can't be done. If we don't adhere to today's laws we might as well discuss magic. Which you're free to do, just don't expect to get very far.



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31 May 2010, 6:25 pm

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You're basically saying since we don't know exactly what's going to happen in the future, we shouldn't have a discussion about it, nor should we even begin to question conventional notions, for any reason. I see. Thanks for responding!

I said no such thing. What we know now is by no means flawless, improvements can and probably will be made. What I consider to be pointless are claims about some future technology when current knowledge says it can't be done. If we don't adhere to today's laws we might as well discuss magic. Which you're free to do, just don't expect to get very far.


I'm just admitting we may be wrong, or there is possibly a way to circumvent it. And there's nothing wrong with what I'm saying. I'm not so arrogant that I think the abilities of another race that's advanced centuries beyond us doesn't have a greater understanding of physics. But if that's what you think makes for a good argument Lecks, I won't fault you for it. Have a great day!



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01 Jun 2010, 10:13 am

Space expands faster than light moves. Space can expand at any finite speed. IF an alien race could bend space for a millionth of a second, they would only to travel ten feet to get here. Not hard at all if given a few billion years to do it.


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01 Jun 2010, 11:11 am

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Space expands faster than light moves. Space can expand at any finite speed. IF an alien race could bend space for a millionth of a second, they would only to travel ten feet to get here. Not hard at all if given a few billion years to do it.


That is how the space vessels in the Dune series work. They bend space.

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02 Jun 2010, 12:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Space expands faster than light moves. Space can expand at any finite speed. IF an alien race could bend space for a millionth of a second, they would only to travel ten feet to get here. Not hard at all if given a few billion years to do it.


That is how the space vessels in the Dune series work. They bend space.

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02 Jun 2010, 6:24 pm

There are ET's but they have nothing better to do then follow rednecks down back roads and give them anal probes. Or turn cows inside out.

They wish to hide from us yet they do displays over major cities.

The "crop circles" are NOT done by humans.

But why should ET's want to give us cryptic clues instead of landing and telling us what they think?

Beats the hell out of me. It doesn't make any sense.



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02 Jun 2010, 6:29 pm

What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.



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02 Jun 2010, 7:47 pm

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What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.

I have to agree, as far as I know there is no empirical evidence of the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, it is a speculation and has been a cultural imagination througout the last and current centuries.


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02 Jun 2010, 8:17 pm

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What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.


Agreed.



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03 Jun 2010, 7:24 am

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What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.


Please, stop with the semantics crap. We all know what they meant.



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03 Jun 2010, 7:34 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Sand wrote:
What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.


Please, stop with the semantics crap. We all know what they meant.


Who is this "we all"? To believe in something is to be confident something exists. To be confident of the existence of aliens is delusion.



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03 Jun 2010, 2:21 pm

Wombat wrote:
There are ET's but they have nothing better to do then follow rednecks down back roads and give them anal probes. Or turn cows inside out.

They wish to hide from us yet they do displays over major cities.

The "crop circles" are NOT done by humans.

But why should ET's want to give us cryptic clues instead of landing and telling us what they think?

Beats the hell out of me. It doesn't make any sense.


Did you ever consider the possibility that they might be afraid of us? Don't laugh. We aren't exactly friendly to people who look and act different from us. If some UFO landed on the white house lawn and an alien walked out, I think it's very likely that some xenophobic idiot in a military uniform might take a shot at them, or at least capture them and quarantine them somewhere. People would freak out if aliens introduced themselves. I can imagine some large societal repurcussions if advanced aliens introduced themselves to us.



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04 Jun 2010, 2:57 am

The "greys" people report are not true aliens to me. I personaly believe they are demons masqurading as aliens. I don't think anyone has ever seen an alien that was actualy a creature from another planet. If any creature was inteligent enough to design space ships and travel at the speed of light, I think they would also be smart enough to know NOT to come here because people are so nasty. If an alien landed on the white house lawn, we would aniliate them before they had the chance to introduce themselves.


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04 Jun 2010, 3:05 am

i believe ETs are well-capable of taking care of themselves, when it comes to warding off our feeble offensive volleys, IOW we might as well be insects next to them, insects that ET can squish with the same cavalier regard as what most humans show for, well, insects. any species that can warp space can seem pretty god-like to us mere humans.



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04 Jun 2010, 4:16 am

Sand wrote:
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What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.


Please, stop with the semantics crap. We all know what they meant.


Who is this "we all"? To believe in something is to be confident something exists. To be confident of the existence of aliens is delusion.


I don't see why it would be delusional. You mean with the number of stars we've seen with the naked eye alone, and the number of entire galaxies we've seen with the aid of technology, you mean to say it's delusional to be confident in the existence of extra terrestrials? To say you "know for a fact" they exist is one thing, but it's very reasonable to say you believe in them- one can figure that if it happened here, why not elsewhere? And comparing the belief in extra terrestrials to religion... please. You sound like the Evangelicals that scoff at carbon dating, since, according to them, you can't prove it beyond any doubt, and therefore, shouldn't place any stock in it.



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04 Jun 2010, 6:06 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Sand wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Sand wrote:
What does it mean "to believe in something"? It makes sense to accept possibilities but the idea of believing in something is of the idiotic caliber of religion.


Please, stop with the semantics crap. We all know what they meant.


Who is this "we all"? To believe in something is to be confident something exists. To be confident of the existence of aliens is delusion.


I don't see why it would be delusional. You mean with the number of stars we've seen with the naked eye alone, and the number of entire galaxies we've seen with the aid of technology, you mean to say it's delusional to be confident in the existence of extra terrestrials? To say you "know for a fact" they exist is one thing, but it's very reasonable to say you believe in them- one can figure that if it happened here, why not elsewhere? And comparing the belief in extra terrestrials to religion... please. You sound like the Evangelicals that scoff at carbon dating, since, according to them, you can't prove it beyond any doubt, and therefore, shouldn't place any stock in it.


Ahaa! Then we are down to the pink unicorn business. On the same basis with all those planets you then must be confident one of them is full of pink unicorns.