The Epistemology of the Divine

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There is concrete evidence that Christianity modifies brain cells in such a way as to create the same effects on the nerve system as alcohol. The outstanding example is the common effect of speaking in tongues where only a drunken fool could exhibit such inebriated behavior. So obviously a belief in God is a direct substitute for alcohol.

Religion is the opiate of the People.

ruveyn

Reasonably well, actually.

I've already made this point on that matter: "That being said, do you really want a neuro-physiological explanation that you wouldn't necessarily understand, or what would you want? I certainly can do some research on alcoholism, but I would doubt that your holding out really makes some sense given that you wouldn't even know how your sense of the divine really WOULD explain the matter in the first place. "

I mean, leejosepho, you really would have no clue on how the divine actually WOULD cure your alcoholism, instead you offer "Well, a magic man done it". The issue is that this doesn't really show itself as very honest, as you can be a plain moron and make your claim, but just to offer good question to it, you demand the knowledge of a specialist. As it stands though, I have not heard of any evidence that only religious people recover from alcoholism, and I have heard evidence that some behaviors can push others out of the way, for example an addiction can push out an addiction. So, honestly, I think that your own point "It MUST be the divine" ends up just being silly given that there is no reason that a naturalistic process COULDN'T be responsible, and you haven't shown it couldn't. As such, so, from what I see, there is a double standard here, and because I don't really concern myself with holding up to your standard, I think I am doing fine, and could only do a little better if I was an expert on the neuro-psychology of addiction.

That is laughable! I do not in any way believe in magic!



All of that is irrelevant to any question at hand. How many people either do or do not recover in whatever way or ways has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact there is no other explanation for my own recovery.



I have said no such thing -- I have not drawn any such conclusion via elimination of all else.



Concerning myself, yes, I have ... but I am not trying to prove that to anyone. Rather, I am simply saying my recovery has proved to me "the divine" and the validity of my sense of it.

So "spirit powers" are not "magic"? Well... I suppose one could make an argument from the sociological differences, but, to me both are "magic".


So, you're saying that I have explain YOUR specific recovery, WITHOUT any reference to your medical records. And you ASSERT that there is only ONE explanation, even though you UTTERLY lack the competence to both generate possibilities or even ASSESS those possibilities. I am sorry, this isn't a real question you are asking me, but this is masturbation on your end.


You don't even know what "all else" would include, nor could you. Nobody could, and given how much "magical thinking" people engage in regularly, I kind of doubt that this is a real methodical assessment.


No, you haven't. If you have proven it couldn't be, then give the proof.

"Proved to you the divine"

Umm.... you do realize exactly how common various psychological issues are in the population, don't you? A very large chunk of the population has a diagnosable psychological problem at any given point in time. About 15% of the population have benign auditory hallucinations regularly. I am sorry, but "private proof" is in some level inadmissible, and I am not trying to be overly cold with that, but there is a very good probability that any human being could be wrong, particularly given certain topics.

No, not at all. I am simply saying you will have to be able to offer some other explanation if you expect to be believeable.



I am not even asking for admission of anything proved to me.