AndyBeans wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
Religion is not a major cause of conflict outside of the Muslim world anymore. The western and westernised parts of the world have been far more terrifyingly menaced by secular Utopianism over the past century, and are yet.
Not really, protestants and Catholics are still fighting, Israel is still killing children because their book said it's fine and the Buddhists have a really nasty side as soon as they face any opposition. Trying to pretend Islam and "secularism"* are the only sources of religious conflict is just a fallacy that Christians like to tell each other.
* pretending it's a religion shows your bias.
It's a fallacy. Where are Catholics and Protestants fighting in the world today, or at any time in the past generation? Don't tell me The Troubles were about religion - they were about nationhood, with religion an incidental consideration thrown in to justify actions contrary to both Protestantism and Catholicism.
The Israel-Palestine conflict is also, at best, vastly more about nationality than religion, if about religion at all.
Secular Utopianism, on the other hand, was responsible for at least a hundred million deaths last century alone and, unlike Christianity, hasn't learned its lesson.
I don't know where I claimed secularism is a religion, though I'd agree it is a kind of
ersatz religion for most of its followers, and one that will never bring them true satisfaction. Secularism is in general far more political than religious; if it were followed as a religion, it would be far less threatening.