What Would Fascism Look Like in America Today?

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02 Nov 2010, 3:43 pm

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That's a new one.


I don't think that's too uncommon. Viacom(amongst many others) pressures it's employees to vote Democrat.



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02 Nov 2010, 4:54 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say but last time I checked the Republican have been essentially powerless for the last 2 years


You're never powerless when you control the media.


The only media outlets that lean Conservative are Fox News, Wall Street Journal, and most of Talk Radio aside from NPR. (Some blog sites too)


Everything thing else is in the pocket of the Left Wing of the Democrat Party.


Reason Fox News is doing so well is that CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, etc. have lost all credibility.

You hear about the attempt by a CBS affiliate to make up a story about Republican Joe Miller in Alaska being tied to pedophiles?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=39683


Fox News hypes up stories and gets the other news vendors to go along. They have lost their credibility: they let Fox News define what's important to cover and talk about.


Fox News wasn't the one trying to come up with a bogus story that a Republican candidate was associated with child molesters. (See the CBS affiliate in Alaska)

Fox News also wasn't the one that came up with a bogus story using fraudulent documents about President Bush in 2004. (I have a bachelor's in Computer Graphics Technology) The documents were blatantly fraudulent because it had variable space typing which is only seen on modern computer printers not typewriters/electric typewriters. (See Dan Rather and CBS)

Fox News didn't fire someone for expressing honest feelings and pointing out in the followup that we need to move beyond those feelings. (See NPR's firing of Juan Williams)


I really don't even feel the necessity to respond to you because Fox News' history of lying and outright misleading people is so prevalent and so easy to find.


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02 Nov 2010, 5:00 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but last time I checked the Republican have been essentially powerless for the last 2 years


You're never powerless when you control the media.


The only media outlets that lean Conservative are Fox News, Wall Street Journal, and most of Talk Radio aside from NPR. (Some blog sites too)


Everything thing else is in the pocket of the Left Wing of the Democrat Party.


Reason Fox News is doing so well is that CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, etc. have lost all credibility.

You hear about the attempt by a CBS affiliate to make up a story about Republican Joe Miller in Alaska being tied to pedophiles?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=39683


Fox News hypes up stories and gets the other news vendors to go along. They have lost their credibility: they let Fox News define what's important to cover and talk about.


Fox News wasn't the one trying to come up with a bogus story that a Republican candidate was associated with child molesters. (See the CBS affiliate in Alaska)

Fox News also wasn't the one that came up with a bogus story using fraudulent documents about President Bush in 2004. (I have a bachelor's in Computer Graphics Technology) The documents were blatantly fraudulent because it had variable space typing which is only seen on modern computer printers not typewriters/electric typewriters. (See Dan Rather and CBS)

Fox News didn't fire someone for expressing honest feelings and pointing out in the followup that we need to move beyond those feelings. (See NPR's firing of Juan Williams)


I really don't even feel the necessity to respond to you because Fox News' history of lying and outright misleading people is so prevalent and so easy to find.


Yeah like NPR's firing of Juan Williams for bigotry... Seriously, there is a difference between getting your facts wrong and maliciously lieing about someone. If you do a news cast 24 hrs a day 7 days a week there is such a thing as making mistakes. If you are going to accuse them of maliciously lieing about people I suggest you have something to back it up.



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02 Nov 2010, 5:06 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but last time I checked the Republican have been essentially powerless for the last 2 years


You're never powerless when you control the media.
Yeah like NPR's firing of Juan Williams for bigotry... Seriously, there is a difference between getting your facts wrong and maliciously lieing about someone. If you do a news cast 24 hrs a day 7 days a week there is such a thing as making mistakes. If you are going to accuse them of maliciously lieing about people I suggest you have something to back it up.


I see. Any news station that has an agenda in opposition to your own is an evil propaganda machine, but Fox News occasionally 'makes mistakes' but is otherwise beyond reproach.

Guess that makes your viewpoint on the subject of 'lying' a balanced and objective one.



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02 Nov 2010, 5:08 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but last time I checked the Republican have been essentially powerless for the last 2 years


You're never powerless when you control the media.
Yeah like NPR's firing of Juan Williams for bigotry... Seriously, there is a difference between getting your facts wrong and maliciously lieing about someone. If you do a news cast 24 hrs a day 7 days a week there is such a thing as making mistakes. If you are going to accuse them of maliciously lieing about people I suggest you have something to back it up.


I see. Any news station that has an agenda in opposition to your own is an evil propaganda machine, but Fox News occasionally 'makes mistakes' but is otherwise beyond reproach.

Guess that makes your viewpoint on the subject of 'lying' a balanced and objective one.


Such as?

It wasn't Fox News trying to make up a story that someone is a pedophile, it was an affiliate of CBS. Thankfully, they were stupid enough to forget to hang up their cellphone after leaving a message on an answering machine.



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02 Nov 2010, 5:38 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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I see. Any news station that has an agenda in opposition to your own is an evil propaganda machine, but Fox News occasionally 'makes mistakes' but is otherwise beyond reproach.

Guess that makes your viewpoint on the subject of 'lying' a balanced and objective one.


Such as?

It wasn't Fox News trying to make up a story that someone is a pedophile, it was an affiliate of CBS. Thankfully, they were stupid enough to forget to hang up their cellphone after leaving a message on an answering machine.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U2O5bPI2Uo&feature=fvsr[/youtube]

If this was the result of a string of catastrophic 'mistakes' then Fox News is even less competent than I thought.

Except, perhaps, at persuading the gullible to believe in things which are untrue.

Would you like more examples?



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02 Nov 2010, 5:54 pm

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So fascism looks like the Republican Party?

Specifically the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party. We have seen isolated incidents of political violence from them already, and their rhetoric is quite harsh against various outgroups. More realistically, the Republicans do not envision a fascist state, but they do envision one that is right-wing authoritarian. The conservative movement—at least its core—wants to roll back many worker, consumer, and environmental protections that have been in place for decades (in this respect, I am the conservative). The kind of thinking that values a small increase in shareholder value over the welfare of the most vulnerable is one of the core ills in America today, and conservative thought just doesn't see anything wrong with it. Policy that is good for short-term economic growth —maximizing capital gains—may long term screw this country over. These policies will result in a society that is increasingly controlled, owned although not by the state per se.
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Some aspects of Nazism and Italian Fascism were tied to the innovations, reactions, prejudices, and concerns of their place and era. I think the fascist spirit would look somewhat different in the United States in 2010.
  • Scapegoating: Targets of scapegoating would be less the Jews and Bolsheviks and more the Muslims, gay people, and the "liberal elite."
  • Aggressive nationalism: Instead of a need to expand in imperial conquest, we'll see a desire to defend military spending to "support our troops" and fight "the war on terror."
  • A contempt for democracy: We'll see claims that direct election of senators is a bad idea.


I'm just curious, of those three items listed, which rank, and where, on your personal list of concerns?

I can't say one is the more definite evil, but they're all negative trends coming from the Right. As an atheist, the scapegoating of religious minorities hits close to home; as a taxpayer and a person concerned with basic concepts of justice, I am dismayed by the Right's war drums. Attempts to fundamentally alter the democratic process directly would be harder to achieve (the senator one would require a constitutional amendment, after all), but it appears the Right wishes to quash dissent.



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02 Nov 2010, 6:26 pm

If anything, Fox is politically moderate and at least the most honest.
To the left, though, anyone or any entity not equally left is, ultra-conservative, a liar, hate monger, nazi, unfair, bigoted, racist, etc…………



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02 Nov 2010, 6:29 pm

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Military spending is by far the lesser part of spending. A hell of a lot more of it gets wasted on social programs and so called "entitlements".


The military gets about 700 billion which is 28 percent of the budget. The rest goes for non-military stuff but very little goes to upgrading or maintaining our infrastructure. So while we are funding cream puffs for the cripples, our bridges will collapse.

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When hedge fund managers skim $1 billion plus off the national surplus each I think that's more a misallocation of resources than anything benefiting so-called cripples.



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02 Nov 2010, 6:30 pm

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If anything, Fox is politically moderate and at least the most honest.
To the left, though, anyone or any entity not equally left is, ultra-conservative, a liar, hate monger, nazi, unfair, bigoted, racist, etc…………


Fox News is a propaganda outlet run by a former Nixon bagman and staffed with Republican politicians and they make up false stories all the time like the one about the New Black Panthers, supposedly protected by Obama when the incident in question was under the authority of a Bush official who didn't press charges.



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02 Nov 2010, 6:35 pm

Juan Williams did more than just express "honest feelings", he glorified his bigotry and declared that it was necessary and attempts to get people not to be bigoted will open the United States to attacks and to people to being killed. Failure to harass people deemed to guilty of glorifying their supposed religion of Evil through their dress sense, he said, is caused by Political Correctness that will cause "paralysis" before "truths" that these people plan to kill us all and that we, the victim paralysed, they will more easily kill us...

Oh, no Al-Qa'eda assailants have yet to attack in so-called Muslim garb, the standard operating procedure is for their operatives to appear as Western as possible.



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02 Nov 2010, 7:07 pm

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When hedge fund managers skim $1 billion plus off the national surplus each I think that's more a misallocation of resources than anything benefiting so-called cripples.


To the extent that their income is from business (and not from government subsidies) they have earned their money legally. They are free to do (or not do) what they wish with their money (no your money, not our money but their money).

If you don't like their spending habits then don't do business with them.

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02 Nov 2010, 7:45 pm

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When hedge fund managers skim $1 billion plus off the national surplus each I think that's more a misallocation of resources than anything benefiting so-called cripples.


To the extent that their income is from business (and not from government subsidies) they have earned their money legally. They are free to do (or not do) what they wish with their money (no your money, not our money but their money).

If you don't like their spending habits then don't do business with them.

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Why do you assume these businessmen earn their money legally?



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02 Nov 2010, 7:48 pm

We're actually on the verge of Facism with the Healthcare Law. If the US Supreme Court doesn't rule it unconstitutional than the Federal Government can order you to buy products just because you're alive.



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02 Nov 2010, 8:10 pm

I'm guessing you're getting at the Tea Party.



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02 Nov 2010, 8:19 pm

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Why do you assume these businessmen earn their money legally?


Every one is innocent until proven guilty. Yes, there are businessmen who commit fraud. But most business people operate within the law. If I see that some one is rich, I do not assume that he acquired his wealth wrongfully or illegally. To come to that conclusion I want to see a conviction in court.

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