Is Atheism a threat to Freedom

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modern jewish marriage allows a man to resell his wife to non-foreigners?

try harder.

edit: in fact, a better translation (with link) would be in order.

I've gotten a little fed up of late with all the bash Christian threads especially after they tried to dismiss the criticisms of Atheism.

Without the belief's in God all morality is relative and really anything goes. Whomever has the gold makes the rules. It is the belief in God that leads people to believe that human life has value and Government doesn't have the right to do whatever it wants.

The correct translation is "servant". What the father is doing is placing his daughter under an indenture contract which can only last for a maximum of seven years.

I think the halachah is unfair to daughters and no Jew since the Exile has participated in such contracts. Rabbinical courts will general not permit a child to be placed in indenture by a parent.

ruveyn

modern jewish marriage allows a man to resell his wife to non-foreigners?

Her family may "buy her back" - i.e., she can get a divorce.

I understand from Jewish lawyer friends that at least New York State has precedents regarding how the traditional wording regarding who keeps the oxen and other goods in such cases translates to modern belongings like automobiles and such.

The Deists did not believe God was constantly looking see whether we humped in the missionary position or that we were jacking off.

ruveyn

ah, i see. but, as the 7 year rule applies to jewish servants, wouldn't the word slave still apply to the rest of the passages vince cited?

Reminds me of another mistranslation where the text was distorted due to translation from old Hebrew into English where it says something about God sending some sort of animal (I think it was a bear but I would have to find the exact passage) to kill a bunch of children because they were taunting a prophet. The problem is, the event was mistranslated because it was referring to a group of teens not quite old enough to be considered full adults (think ancient version of street gang) and the prophet was genuinely being threatened.

Also as is pointed out in the bible, Satan is an expert in quoting scripture out of context to make it sound like it is saying something that it is not.

Oh, good, because sending bears to kill teenagers is totally okay.

Of course the Bible says that. That's like a UFO nut saying "the government is going to say that there aren't any aliens among us, and you'll know I'm telling the truth, because I told you they would lie about it and then they did". It's circular reasoning.

Oh, good, because sending bears to kill teenagers is totally okay.


Of course the Bible says that. That's like a UFO nut saying "the government is going to say that there aren't any aliens among us, and you'll know I'm telling the truth, because I told you they would lie about it and then they did". It's circular reasoning.

If you read what I wrote I pointed out they were like the equivalent of a modern street gang. Meaning they probably weren't exactly innocent in any respect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_gang

So you know what a street gang is, the prophet's physical safety was in jeopardy so are you suggesting that God should have done nothing and let them potentially kill his messenger on Earth.



False equivalency, the bible demonstrates Satan trying to use scripture to tempt Jesus by quoting passages out of context.

10 So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11 “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” 12 They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.

13 Then the whole assembly sent an offer of peace to the Benjamites at the rock of Rimmon. 14 So the Benjamites returned at that time and were given the women of Jabesh Gilead who had been spared. But there were not enough for all of them.

15 The people grieved for Benjamin, because the LORD had made a gap in the tribes of Israel. 16 And the elders of the assembly said, “With the women of Benjamin destroyed, how shall we provide wives for the men who are left? 17 The Benjamite survivors must have heirs,” they said, “so that a tribe of Israel will not be wiped out. 18 We can’t give them our daughters as wives, since we Israelites have taken this oath: ‘Cursed be anyone who gives a wife to a Benjamite.’ 19 But look, there is the annual festival of the LORD in Shiloh, which lies north of Bethel, east of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem, and south of Lebonah.”

20 So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards 21 and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin. 22 When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.’”

23 So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.

24 At that time the Israelites left that place and went home to their tribes and clans, each to his own inheritance.

Again, the idea of there being no God, it boils down to where do our rights come from then. If our rights come from Government then Government can take them away. If our rights come from God, then Government does not have the authority to take away our rights.

Atheism's idea of there being no higher being to determine what is moral leaves everything as being relative. It is easy to justify committing attrocities, granted we see this when religions are distorted as well, and the ends justify the means. However the fact their are no consequences when you die, it comes down to doing whatever you feel like and who cares about other people.

I pointed out earlier that the Bible is laid out as a history book in some respects which would record the good and the bad. I'll have to dig out a particular book when I get home which I think has a chapter concerning those passages. Based on the passages you are quoting, I don't see God actually ordering them to commit those acts either.

I will also point out that this bashing of Christianity is off-topic. You're bashing Christianity and Judaism to avoid having to defend Atheism. I went along with you going about this for a few pages to see if you would make a point, however it now looks like you're just trying to distract from the actual topic.