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30 Nov 2010, 2:12 am

I hope it's Wells Fargo



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30 Nov 2010, 7:35 am

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This could potentially be paydirt:

"Julian Assange points upcoming megaleak: a major American bank will discover all its innermost workings exposed to the world."


hmmm wonder if people will get over it if he goes after the big bad banks, meh.



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30 Nov 2010, 7:51 am

ikorack wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
This could potentially be paydirt:

"Julian Assange points upcoming megaleak: a major American bank will discover all its innermost workings exposed to the world."


hmmm wonder if people will get over it if he goes after the big bad banks, meh.


If this annoyance catches fire even the Republican may be to agree to some kind of meaningful reform in the way America does business.

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30 Nov 2010, 8:16 am

ruveyn wrote:
ikorack wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
This could potentially be paydirt:

"Julian Assange points upcoming megaleak: a major American bank will discover all its innermost workings exposed to the world."


hmmm wonder if people will get over it if he goes after the big bad banks, meh.


If this annoyance catches fire even the Republican may be to agree to some kind of meaningful reform in the way America does business.

ruveyn


Only if they have the balls to pull the legislature away from the corporations and return the branch to its purpose of serving the people in its laws.



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30 Nov 2010, 10:42 am

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I hope it's Wells Fargo


I hope its Goldman Sachs.


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30 Nov 2010, 12:05 pm

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Transparency and Open Government
Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.

Government should be participatory. Public engagement enhances the Government's effectiveness and improves the quality of its decisions. Knowledge is widely dispersed in society, and public officials benefit from having access to that dispersed knowledge. Executive departments and agencies should offer Americans increased opportunities to participate in policymaking and to provide their Government with the benefits of their collective expertise and information. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public input on how we can increase and improve opportunities for public participation in Government.

Government should be collaborative. Collaboration actively engages Americans in the work of their Government. Executive departments and agencies should use innovative tools, methods, and systems to cooperateamong themselves, across all levels of Government, and with nonprofit organizations, businesses, and individuals in the private sector. Executive departments and agencies should solicit public feedback to assess and improve their level of collaboration and to identify new opportunities for cooperation.

I direct the Chief Technology Officer, in coordination with the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Administrator of General Services, to coordinate the development by appropriate executive departments and agencies, within 120 days, of recommendations for an Open Government Directive, to be issued by the Director of OMB, that instructs executive departments and agencies to take specific actions implementing the principles set forth in this memorandum. The independent agencies should comply with the Open Government Directive.

This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

This memorandum shall be published in the Federal Register.

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30 Nov 2010, 1:39 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I hope it's Wells Fargo


I hope its Goldman Sachs.



Sounds like it's Bank of America. Glad I left them!!


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30 Nov 2010, 3:22 pm

I'm kind of with what Ska said at the beginning of this topic. :p

Oh and regarding our residing Greek, i read in this monthly review called "L'Actualité" that apparently, your government is opting for collecting undue taxes in Greece... For example, they were pretty much using Google Earth to check which people had pools that weren't declared. <.< :P

(Btw, i just got done this session with my class of Greeko-Roman archeology :< , we had some nice pictures of your land and ruins ^^ Pretty interesting, overall :P My teacher apparently did digs somewhere around Argilos and Amphipolis :o )

Edited because i just noticed that Ska is from Louisiana, we just saw the kind of french that's spoken sometimes in Louisiana, it was pretty good :P Also got a sample of Lousiana black créole. :o Which is apparently different from Haïti's. (And yes, i know i'm further derailing, but i also had Louisiane food for my birthday this year :p Croc was delicious. :> )



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30 Nov 2010, 4:53 pm

If Assange can uncover some documents where American plutocrats openly call people "oxen" or "drones" or "paperweights" or some other indication that these people are evil that will be even better - or proof that the game is always rigged, or something like that.



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30 Nov 2010, 4:54 pm

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If Assange can uncover some documents where American plutocrats openly call people "oxen" or "drones" or "paperweights" or some other indication that these people are evil that will be even better - or proof that the game is always rigged, or something like that.


Like we didn't already now that?

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30 Nov 2010, 5:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
If Assange can uncover some documents where American plutocrats openly call people "oxen" or "drones" or "paperweights" or some other indication that these people are evil that will be even better - or proof that the game is always rigged, or something like that.


Like we didn't already now that?

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Wackieleaks topic

I have been away for a few days, actually following the news a little closer, but I come back and find this thread is more like wikitangents: A story that grows and morphs into something else. Mr. Assange is a sort of megablogger (founder of Wikileaks) who desires to expose that which the mainstream news sources dare not. He assumes many will read his reports, and he is right, as he has a large following.

I think it is a matter of right to know. Is it in the public interest to know certain private matters, to make the personal political? this is a fine line here, as some will use the info and turn it on its ass to hurt others. Certain foreign governments are rubbing their hands with glee--of course said governments in certain countires are very opaque and do not like to air their dirty socks and undies. :twisted:

I believe that government should be more transparent, but the lives of individuals is its own business and none of mine. This, of course, begs the question of what should be made public, and what should remain private. Wisdom begins with being able to differentiate what is in the public interest and what is best left alone. I do not pretend to understand the difference, only to keep watching the news and find out where all this is leading.

Apparently, Mr. Assange now has a sort of fatwa against him, and Equador is offering sanctuary :? , according to one news source I consulted. Quite strange, and I will stay tuned.


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30 Nov 2010, 7:47 pm

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who desires to expose that which the mainstream news sources dare not.

Except that the New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, and Le Monde have all published the Wikileaks documents, and every other news source in the West has reprinted those accounts. It's not a matter of daring to expose the information; it's about getting the info which only Wikileaks was able to do on its own.

Now, we have a Republican Congressman pushing to have Wikileaks declared a terrorist organization because they are an accessory to leaking these documents. Is he also in favor of having the New York Times labeled a terrorist organization and shut down?


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30 Nov 2010, 8:25 pm

Orwell wrote:
sartresue wrote:
who desires to expose that which the mainstream news sources dare not.

Except that the New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, and Le Monde have all published the Wikileaks documents, and every other news source in the West has reprinted those accounts. It's not a matter of daring to expose the information; it's about getting the info which only Wikileaks was able to do on its own.

Now, we have a Republican Congressman pushing to have Wikileaks declared a terrorist organization because they are an accessory to leaking these documents. Is he also in favor of having the New York Times labeled a terrorist organization and shut down?


Peter King is a straight up fascist altho I can't say the Obama administration's response was any better.



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30 Nov 2010, 10:30 pm

Haha, Bank of America's stock price is down 3% after today. Right after this leak will probably be a good time to pick up some BAC shares on the cheap.



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01 Dec 2010, 1:11 am

http://cryptome.org/0002/ja-conspiracies.pdf


Some of Julian's essays. Well worth a read. Very short read overall (only 12 pages....barely...more like 10 1/5 pages).


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01 Dec 2010, 11:41 am

Question: Why is it that when the BBC or the Guardian or (insert news outlet here) find out a secret and publish it for the world to see, its just news, but when wikileaks does it, its evil terrorism? When they published pics of Prince Harry serving in Afghanistan they endangered his unit, him. and pretty much buggered a perfectly healthy field career for him. But nobody got arrested on terror charges. Meanwhile Assange is on the Interpol most wanted list, has the CIA gunning for him, his website is being DDoSed, and he's being accused of ridiculous rape charges to boot for releasing what amounts to gossip.

Maybe American diplomats should just learn to be more diplomatic. Its an old joke that the US fails to understand Irony. Should Diplomacy and Subtlety be added to that list?


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