who do you want to meet in heaven?

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I believe that all christians are misled miserable people who need something to distract them from miserable lives. I guarantee you that if(rhetorical follows) god were ever disproven your lives would fall apart(end rhetorical). You rely on the promise of something beyond. As such, I do not find christians to be evil because they are christians. I do find you to be misled and rather stupid, however. But it's more of a pity than a dislike.

I see Stockholm Syndrome is already setting in...........

And yet he's the one sending you to hell....

Call me crazy if you must, but I see a contradiction here.....

My life wouldn't fall apart. It ain't happenin' anyway.

That was why I stated that it was rhetorical. I am well aware that god cannot be proven or disproven. And I genuinely do think that your life would fall apart if you realized that all the time you've spent in church has been wasted, and that you have only so long before you go away forever.

I just would like to say that firstly, most versions of the Bible are rather inaccurate, and secondly most of the doctrines in Christendom (I refuse to call it Christianity because I don't believe it is) are complete misinterpretations. Such as going to hell. That I can see where they got it from, but if you look more closely and tie it in with other parts, it actually is symbolic for the destruction of death - ie, the end of death; there will be death no more. Not some place for torturing sinners for eternity. If that were the case, we'd all be there because we all sin - willfully or not, we all sin.

It just infuriates me that ... no, actually I'll shush *tries to keep riegn of her temper*

It infuriates me that Christendom promotes these blatant lies. Sorry.

No, I mean my life would not fall apart. There's always Buddism and Taoism, or I could become one of those heathens...

Buddhism is interesting in that it is the least violent of the big religions. As far as I know, there is very little violence in it, and for that it can be applauded. Note that I am NOT a Buddhist, I am just respecting the fact that it is mostly non-violent, unlike how the Christian, Jewish, Islamic, and Hindu religions are loaded with violence and murder in the name of god.

This depends on whether you consider it a religion. I for one consider Buddhism, Taoism, Confuscism, and Jainism as more of a philosophy than a religion.

This depends on whether you consider it a religion. I for one consider Buddhism, Taoism, Confuscism, and Jainism as more of a philosophy than a religion.

I find it so strange that you really believe Christianity teaches that God sends people to hell. I do know two denominations that think they are the only ones going to heaven or say a prayer get out of hell free stuff, but I have never heard that God sends you to hell. I have heard that you can accept a free gift of salvation, have a relationship with someone who loves you, or you can choose to not accept that gift - all your own choice - God doesn't send people to hell, they pick where they want to go. I think you break His heart when you refuse His love. Just like I would be broken hearted if my children chose not to love me. I've never heard your version.

I would still be a Christian even if there is not a heaven. That was a really hard question at first. At first I got mad (I was really young) & thought how dare you ask that question! I think we all get angry the first time someone questions what we believe to be fact. But after several years of truly pondering this question I realized, heaven would definately be a plus, but that is not why I'm a Christian. I am a Christian because I have experienced Christ. And if there were no heaven, I would still be one because I am grateful for what He has done for me. He has shown me that this life is not about me, but about others & He has shown me love & grace. I fail a lot, I admit I can be a smart a**, but I'm not going to give up because it's not about me.

Christians who condemn others are just being human, not Christian. But I find it weird that many of you anti-Christians complain about "Christians" being so judgemental when you are exactly the same way. You judge me & are rude & tell me I'm stupid, yet you think that it's ok because why??? Aren't you doing the very thing you say you hate? Does that mean you just hate humanity, including yourself? Is it really not a Christian thing you hate? Because there have been very intelligent people who have been immoral, hypicritical, & contradictory. What is the real issue???????

And as for scrapheaps anwer about all his problems being his parents. Grow-up! Didn't you say you were in the Marines? What would they say about that answer? You are responsible for your issues, if your parent were psycho - go get therapy & work on your issues, quit playing the victim. But wait, if you admit responsibility for your own actions, then when you mess up, it would be your fault. No, no, blame it on someone else. How long were you in the Marines?

If it were fer real fer sure: My brother, my Grannies, a baby i lost. On the lighter side: Jerry Garcia, Joe Strummer, Dr. Richard Feynman

It is clearly written in multiple places in the Christian bible that God and Jesus send people to hell. For example:

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps Buddhism is not a religion. I am not sure, have not researched that topic enough to know, but yes there does seem to be some major fundamental differences between Buddhism and the religions that clearly are religions.

From what I understand, Buddhism is considered a religion because it takes the position that there is something fundamentally wrong with who we are and it offers us a way to save ourselves, which is the foundation of most major religions. But, I guess it all depends on what criteria you want to apply to designate something as a "religion".

So, basically, you're a Christian because you were baptized and indoctrinated? I mean, I get what you're trying to say, but it just sounds a lot like you're only a Christian because it was what you were raised to believe in and you're unwilling to turn on it because you take that belief for granted. I mean, you say you "experienced Christ." I'm guessing this has to do with being baptized and "eating" the bread and wine which are supposed to be symbolic of his body. And you're a Christian just because you went through that?

See, you don't need Christianity to see that the world's bigger than you and your feelings. It's called being mature. And most of the Christians I know still haven't figured out that it's not all about them. I went to school with a lot of kids who were real street punks, who delt in all kinds of illegal drug trades, promiscuous acitivities, etc.--and yet loads of them were Christian. In my school, the people who were the most spoiled--hell, even the girls who said that they were PROUD of being spoiled--were Christian. And think of all the Christian adults who have acted immoral and immature. Think of people like Ghandi, people who weren't Christian at all but did selfless acts. Being Christian has nothing to do with becoming mature, and even less to do with being moral. Furthermore, if you've achieved this status of maturity and epiphany than do you still have a use for religion?

I can understand wanting to believe something because it's what you're used to believing, but is that honestly the only reason? I mean, I could be misinterpreting what you're saying (and if I am, forgive me), but that's kinda what it reads like.




I'm sorry if I've been rude to you. I'm not in support of judging all Christians, but I am against many of the things that Christianity is doing at large. I mean, I'm pro-choice in regard to abortion and I am in full support of gay rights, and the main reason why anyone is against these things is because of the influence of Christianity. Meanwhile the Catholic church is causing AIDS to be spread more than it would have been otherwise because of it tells people to not use birth control. The Christian Churches are keeping this world from improving with their conservitism. Does that mean that we should disrespect Christians? No, they're entitled to believe what they want.

However, I do believe that debating with a Christian on the bible's content and meaning (provided it stays respectful) is fine, and from what I can tell that's all that's been going on. You never did respond to my last post, by the way, or answer my question about being able to send someone you truly love to hell. Furthermore, if you don't want to be judged than I suggest you try not to conform to a stereotype, and saying that you hope your non-Christian opponents in a debate will be converted or find religion is being terribly stereotypical, not to mention disrespectful. If you want respect, then don't say things like that--'cus that's just what ticks people off. Not trying to sound threatening or blame you or anything, I'm just saying that that's how it is. It also tends to tick people off when you ask debate opponents to bring specific passages to back up their claims, then ignore the posts with these passages when they do, neither refuting them or trying to give another explaination or interpretation for them, or even just admitting that maybe they were "...kinda right." I notice that a lot of times, people stop arguing and just ignore the post where their one of their debate opponents brings out some really good points, as though they couldn't face the fact that they can't refute these points, and don't want to admit that to themselves or their opponents. Being able to admit when you're wrong or when you can't respond to something is a BIG part of knowing that there's more to this world than just you, because it shows that you know that there's more to this world than your own beliefs. Everyone can be wrong about something sometimes, and yet so few can admit it. So, MMM...can you do that? Or can you refute the things that you haven't yet refuted, such as my questions about sending those you TRULY LOVE to an eternity of torture and cruelty, or Emp's passages from the Bible which clearly states that God would want people like him killed? (All you did was keep repeating "God loves you, just the way you are," as though you hadn't even read the passages.)

For the record, I do hate humanity as a whole (or at least the masses), and I do hate many things about myself. I think we're an evil species who are way too immoral, immature, beastly...what separates us from animals is our ability to listen to our superego, rather than our id, and yet few people actually do this. People do what they want and then justify it and make it seem like it's the right thing to do, rather than trying to do the right thing in the first place and then making that be what they want to do. And we all make this mistake, it's inevitable. But make no mistake about this: no religion can stop people from making those mistakes because of the way religion works in the human psyche.