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04 Dec 2010, 7:40 pm

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Another right wing source not tied to Soros from a quick glance but it has something of interest.

George Soros is a very evil man and has perfected the economic deconstruction of nations, which he learned firsthand as a child in Nazi-controlled Hungary and later throughout Communist-controlled Eastern Europe – except Soros needs no bullets for his revolution; he has a much more treacherous and inconspicuous weapon: money and propaganda.

Because George Soros is an atheist, he has no allusions about a heaven beyond the grave. Therefore, like most socialists, progressives, Darwinists and atheists, he is trying to establish a utopian society here on earth – a one-world centralized government without borders, religion or culture, one currency, one language and one puppet master to pull the strings of the useful idiots in power … while controlling the world from beyond the shadows.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=230489

Paranoid raving. Find a source other than WND. Once they are trying to link someone to Nazism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Atheism, and Darwinism all at once, you know your source is full of crap. (Hint: Nazism and Communism are opposing ideologies, Socialists despise Progressives, and Darwinism isn't an actual meaningful ideology, certainly not in the political sense)

:roll: Social Darwinism is an ideology of the far-right. Ayn Rand was an atheist. Therefore the far-right is in fact anti-Christian. Anarcho-capitalists would spit in the face of baby Jesus.



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04 Dec 2010, 7:52 pm

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Uh look up where their hq was. Why were all those organizations operating out of a funeral home?

http://www.nopc.info/forum/showthread.p ... 573&page=6


Where's the post with evidence that the various organizations are operating out of funeral homes? It seems all I can find is a bunch of flaming over the fact a man who tried to physically assault a MoveOn.org protester stuck his hand where he shouldn't have.

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Ever consider that this may have been done to force globalization, and get this globalization one world government in this day and age is probably going to be a dictatorship.


There really is no evidence whatsoever for that belief.

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You neglect the fact some of my other sources came from George Soros' own web page which corroborates what the right wing sources as you call them are saying. In short, just cause they don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth.


Weren't you claiming that piece from a researcher who is a tenured Professor of Psychology was completely and utterly refuted simply because it was posted by the Huffington Post? You are pretty shameless in your hypocrisy.


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04 Dec 2010, 8:04 pm

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Another right wing source not tied to Soros from a quick glance but it has something of interest.

George Soros is a very evil man and has perfected the economic deconstruction of nations, which he learned firsthand as a child in Nazi-controlled Hungary and later throughout Communist-controlled Eastern Europe – except Soros needs no bullets for his revolution; he has a much more treacherous and inconspicuous weapon: money and propaganda.

Because George Soros is an atheist, he has no allusions about a heaven beyond the grave. Therefore, like most socialists, progressives, Darwinists and atheists, he is trying to establish a utopian society here on earth – a one-world centralized government without borders, religion or culture, one currency, one language and one puppet master to pull the strings of the useful idiots in power … while controlling the world from beyond the shadows.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=230489

Paranoid raving. Find a source other than WND. Once they are trying to link someone to Nazism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Atheism, and Darwinism all at once, you know your source is full of crap. (Hint: Nazism and Communism are opposing ideologies, Socialists despise Progressives, and Darwinism isn't an actual meaningful ideology, certainly not in the political sense)

:roll: Social Darwinism is an ideology of the far-right. Ayn Rand was an atheist. Therefore the far-right is in fact anti-Christian. Anarcho-capitalists would spit in the face of baby Jesus.


http://vilas.wisgop.info/2010/11/10/geo ... -revealed/

Now, he's got the wealth. But what did he do with the wealth? He decided to collapse regimes and currencies. He did it in England, in Russia, Malaysia, Georgia. Soros lit the fuse to get it done.

He's known — as we told you last night — the man who broke the Bank of England. The prime minister of Malaysia called Soros "unscrupulous profiteer." In Thailand, he was branded an economic war criminal who sucks the blood from people.

In 1994, he stated, "I just write that the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire." He started getting so much recognition it fed into his ego. His ego started to grow.

He started to get a god complex — again, not my words, his words. Soros confessed in the "New Yorker" in the 1995 that he had a messianic illusion, a sense of himself being superhuman, quote, "since childhood," end quote. He saw in himself the many attributes of the God of the Old Testament, quote, "God in the Old Testament has a number of attributes, you know, like invisible. I was pretty invisible. Benevolent, I was pretty benevolent. All-seeing, I tried to be all-seeing."

Benevolent, all-seeing — but the one that sticks out here is invisible. You can see his ego on display when he talks about going after regimes. Listen. It's a game.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,602163,00.html

Oh by the way, I found that Glenn Beck is spot on again...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/229012.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -euro.html

Wasn't a lot of these problems caused by: "Greedy Speculators?"
http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/11/0 ... %E2%80%A6/



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04 Dec 2010, 8:06 pm

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I recently seen in a couple posts here, and heard comments from my grandfather, about how liberals are destroying the country.

With that said, what then is the conservative of conservative ideal world? If there were no liberal ideas allowed to exist, what would you have left? Just curious.


The ideal Conservative world will be in place after the second coming of Christ.

If not for Liberals, the apocalypse would never happen.

It is a bit like saying that without Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate, Jesus never would have been crucified and risen from the dead, and our redemption and atonement would be impossible.

Like Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate, Liberals will be facing everlasting torment. And, like Judas Isariot and Pontius Pilate, we really do need the Liberals in order to advance to the next stage in History. Otherwise, why would we need the apocalypse and the second coming of Christ? There wouldn't be any point, as there would be no Evil in the World.



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04 Dec 2010, 8:27 pm

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I know NPR has gone to some pretty extreme lengths to limit Chomsky's time on the station, but I don't really listen to them that often as I'm a canuck and never particularly liked Talk Radio. How does NPR compare to SIRIUS Left?

NPR just toes a politically correct line more than anything else, with what is intended to be a generic, overall moderate position that probably comes out slightly left of center (in relation to American politics). They are certainly much farther right than Sirius left, and much less interesting.


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04 Dec 2010, 8:31 pm

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Leftists sometimes like to try and run off a conservative by saying something like, "Just reciting and regurgitating those same Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh lines verbatum, aren't you?"

I've never seen a conservative poster attempt to accuse a liberal of being a mouthpiece by suggesting that he is just spewing out the exact lines of some leftist demagogue, like Michael Moore.

Why do liberals think every conservative is just some Glenn Beck or Fox News Clonedrone who just comes on a forum and spews out inculcated right-wing propaganda? Its almost as annoying as the racist labeling situations. Its like we really suck in Fox News religiously every night and are so brainwiped and zealous that we just have to go regurgitate it on a forum, so we can see it in print for our own edification.

When do leftists ever get charged with being Michael Moore et. al sycophants?


The problem with rightists like Inuyasha is all they do is link and quote. They don't actually defend the core of their philosophy. They just post one anecdote after another attacking and smearing the other side. Then if you make a counter-argument to one of their copy-and-paste arguments they merely move on to another. It's beyond tedious.


Both Inuyasha and Xenon do this Xenon just tends to leave out the links. Xenon's also tend to slant more towards ranting.



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04 Dec 2010, 8:33 pm

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You neglect the fact some of my other sources came from George Soros' own web page which corroborates what the right wing sources as you call them are saying. In short, just cause they don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth.

Are you even reading your own sources? The only things you have independent corroboration on is "Soros donated money to ACORN and NPR." That's not at issue. What I dispute are the overblown allegations of voter fraud on the part of ACORN, the rampant accusations of "socialism" against any group that isn't far-right, and the lunatic raving trying to link Soros to Nazism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Atheism, and Darwinism all at once.

Seriously, did you read those WND articles you posted? Are you delusional enough that you didn't notice the absurd claims in them? Are you actually stupid enough to believe those claims are corroborated by an admission that Soros made a donation to NPR? I'm genuinely curious to know if you are being deliberately dishonest or if you're just an idiot. Given your last couple posts, those are really the only possible conclusions.


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04 Dec 2010, 8:49 pm

@ Orwell

I know some of wnd is complete bs, but some of it isn't just like how some of what Jon Stewart says is complete bs and some isn't. I'll look at them once in a while just for a laugh, they do have tidbits here and there you can filter out though.

All I was trying to do was show that Soros was giving money to various organizations, I couldn't care less about the rest of the article. Even the tabloids like WND can have some valid information mixed in once in a while.

Anyways, I'm actually just being a little lazy in searching for stuff atm cause I'm trying to get a 15 page paper done and I'm stressing out about it.

Anyways Orwell, why is Nina Totenberg still working at NPR?

If you don't know who she is, google her and look for videos on some of the stuff she has said.



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04 Dec 2010, 9:01 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I know some of wnd is complete bs, but some of it isn't just like how some of what Jon Stewart says is complete bs and some isn't. I'll look at them once in a while just for a laugh, they do have tidbits here and there you can filter out though.

The difference is that Stewart is a comedian, and no one considers him anything else. WND are a bunch of paranoid raving lunatics.

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All I was trying to do was show that Soros was giving money to various organizations, I couldn't care less about the rest of the article. Even the tabloids like WND can have some valid information mixed in once in a while.

You are lying. The portion of the WND article you cited (about Soros the evil Nazi Communist atheist utopian dictator) made no mention of any funding. The other WND excerpt consisted of unsubstantiated allegations against ACORN.


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04 Dec 2010, 9:16 pm

Orwell wrote:
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I know some of wnd is complete bs, but some of it isn't just like how some of what Jon Stewart says is complete bs and some isn't. I'll look at them once in a while just for a laugh, they do have tidbits here and there you can filter out though.

The difference is that Stewart is a comedian, and no one considers him anything else. WND are a bunch of paranoid raving lunatics.


So you're calling someone formerly from the Michigan Law review a raving lunatic, that's good to know.

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All I was trying to do was show that Soros was giving money to various organizations, I couldn't care less about the rest of the article. Even the tabloids like WND can have some valid information mixed in once in a while.

You are lying.


I wasn't lying I just wasn't thinking of the second article I posted, I also thought I included a second source that was a quote from Soros but apparently that was an in a later post. Bleh I've posted way too many articles to keep straight at the moment which article I put in which post.

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The portion of the WND article you cited (about Soros the evil Nazi Communist atheist utopian dictator) made no mention of any funding.


Tbh, the second article slipped my mind, however that partially in response to someone claiming Soros is Jewish and he is not.

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He started to get a god complex — again, not my words, his words. Soros confessed in the "New Yorker" in the 1995 that he had a messianic illusion, a sense of himself being superhuman, quote, "since childhood," end quote. He saw in himself the many attributes of the God of the Old Testament, quote, "God in the Old Testament has a number of attributes, you know, like invisible. I was pretty invisible. Benevolent, I was pretty benevolent. All-seeing, I tried to be all-seeing."


A Jewish person at that point would be begging God for forgiveness. Unless he actually believes himself to be God.

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The other WND excerpt consisted of unsubstantiated allegations against ACORN.


Wasn't some people of ACORN convicted of various types of fraud. Seriously reputable organizations generally wouldn't choose a funeral home in New Orleans as a headquarters.



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04 Dec 2010, 9:20 pm

ikorack wrote:
marshall wrote:
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Leftists sometimes like to try and run off a conservative by saying something like, "Just reciting and regurgitating those same Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh lines verbatum, aren't you?"

I've never seen a conservative poster attempt to accuse a liberal of being a mouthpiece by suggesting that he is just spewing out the exact lines of some leftist demagogue, like Michael Moore.

Why do liberals think every conservative is just some Glenn Beck or Fox News Clonedrone who just comes on a forum and spews out inculcated right-wing propaganda? Its almost as annoying as the racist labeling situations. Its like we really suck in Fox News religiously every night and are so brainwiped and zealous that we just have to go regurgitate it on a forum, so we can see it in print for our own edification.

When do leftists ever get charged with being Michael Moore et. al sycophants?


The problem with rightists like Inuyasha is all they do is link and quote. They don't actually defend the core of their philosophy. They just post one anecdote after another attacking and smearing the other side. Then if you make a counter-argument to one of their copy-and-paste arguments they merely move on to another. It's beyond tedious.


Both Inuyasha and Xenon do this Xenon just tends to leave out the links. Xenon's also tend to slant more towards ranting.

Xenon13 is a class warrior. At least the sources he gets his arguments/rants from must be somewhat obscure as outright class warrierism is quite un-PC. The far left doesn't really have an equivalent of Fox News for propaganda purposes.



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04 Dec 2010, 9:34 pm

marshall wrote:
ikorack wrote:
marshall wrote:
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Leftists sometimes like to try and run off a conservative by saying something like, "Just reciting and regurgitating those same Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh lines verbatum, aren't you?"

I've never seen a conservative poster attempt to accuse a liberal of being a mouthpiece by suggesting that he is just spewing out the exact lines of some leftist demagogue, like Michael Moore.

Why do liberals think every conservative is just some Glenn Beck or Fox News Clonedrone who just comes on a forum and spews out inculcated right-wing propaganda? Its almost as annoying as the racist labeling situations. Its like we really suck in Fox News religiously every night and are so brainwiped and zealous that we just have to go regurgitate it on a forum, so we can see it in print for our own edification.

When do leftists ever get charged with being Michael Moore et. al sycophants?


The problem with rightists like Inuyasha is all they do is link and quote. They don't actually defend the core of their philosophy. They just post one anecdote after another attacking and smearing the other side. Then if you make a counter-argument to one of their copy-and-paste arguments they merely move on to another. It's beyond tedious.


Both Inuyasha and Xenon do this Xenon just tends to leave out the links. Xenon's also tend to slant more towards ranting.

Xenon13 is a class warrior. At least the sources he gets his arguments/rants from must be somewhat obscure as outright class warrierism is quite un-PC. The far left doesn't really have an equivalent of Fox News for propaganda purposes.


Oh really?

You mean to tell me that CBS, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, etc. all don't ring a bell? If MSNBC is center, then Fox News would make Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal.

I can also think of a few places online that are even further to the left.



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04 Dec 2010, 11:10 pm

marshall wrote:
ikorack wrote:
marshall wrote:
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Leftists sometimes like to try and run off a conservative by saying something like, "Just reciting and regurgitating those same Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh lines verbatum, aren't you?"

I've never seen a conservative poster attempt to accuse a liberal of being a mouthpiece by suggesting that he is just spewing out the exact lines of some leftist demagogue, like Michael Moore.

Why do liberals think every conservative is just some Glenn Beck or Fox News Clonedrone who just comes on a forum and spews out inculcated right-wing propaganda? Its almost as annoying as the racist labeling situations. Its like we really suck in Fox News religiously every night and are so brainwiped and zealous that we just have to go regurgitate it on a forum, so we can see it in print for our own edification.

When do leftists ever get charged with being Michael Moore et. al sycophants?


The problem with rightists like Inuyasha is all they do is link and quote. They don't actually defend the core of their philosophy. They just post one anecdote after another attacking and smearing the other side. Then if you make a counter-argument to one of their copy-and-paste arguments they merely move on to another. It's beyond tedious.


Both Inuyasha and Xenon do this Xenon just tends to leave out the links. Xenon's also tend to slant more towards ranting.

Xenon13 is a class warrior. At least the sources he gets his arguments/rants from must be somewhat obscure as outright class warrierism is quite un-PC. The far left doesn't really have an equivalent of Fox News for propaganda purposes.


They do, its just of a different nature because they have a need to adhere to political correctness more than repub sources.



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04 Dec 2010, 11:59 pm

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The main danger from liberals is that they believe in the perfectibility of Mankind. That is what makes them dangerous.


dangerous only to the status quo.



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05 Dec 2010, 12:06 am

auntblabby wrote:
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The main danger from liberals is that they believe in the perfectibility of Mankind. That is what makes them dangerous.


dangerous only to the status quo.


Change just for the sake of change isn't a good thing.



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In what instance do you see liberals as "wrong"?


They tend to be altruists. They see our greatest obligation as helping those in need.


nasty brutish and short got old well before button shoes. isn't it time that humanity moved forward towards something better?