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09 Dec 2010, 4:10 am

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I still think the attacks on any Alinsky "connection" are a misstep, I for one will use a good idea no matter where it came from, and would expect the same of any intelligent person. Further, Alinsky's work is useful for promoting change in general, not just change towards the left, so using it doesn't carry quite the stigma of say the "Little Red Book"; as has been pointed out even the Tea Party is using it. To my way of thinking, there are so many stronger criticisms of Obama and the Democrats that harping on their supposed use of Alinky's playbook is a ineffective and liable to backfire.


You are a pragmatist. That makes you potentially dangerous.

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09 Dec 2010, 11:59 am

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Inuyasha wrote:
Get your facts straight, that rumor was started by Hillary supporters, not conservatives.

Nearly all liberals, as well as a few misguided conservatives, have sought to dismiss the "birther" movement as the product of right-wing ret*ds barking up the wrong tree.

However, the entire issue of Barack Obama's eligibility was brought to the fore by lawyers acting on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200910071521 ... story.html


Okay, so Slick Hillie's (she really ran as the more conservative Democrat in the primary) derranged supporter started a rumour that the Ultra-right of the Republican Party subsquently ate up?


Hillary supporters are still raising a stink about the birth certificate. Some conservatives finally started questioning it because they were wondering why the heck wouldn't Obama just release the full birth certificate and put an end to the argument.

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They made the mistake of going after average Americans in their demonization strategy. I don't think anyone will believe the Dems to give the time of day accurately.


I think you're horrendously out of touch, while Republican and Tea Party propoganda has influenced a substantial subset of the American electorate, most people are too worried about jobs or keeping their homes to get caught up in your sentimentalities and conspiracy theories. Apathetically sitting home, rather than explicitly expressing electoral disapproval, will likely be what much of the electorate does in the 2012 elections.


You're the one out of touch, though considering if I remember correctly you don't even live in the United States, so you really don't have a clue. The Republicans already have a pretty impressive list of what they want to do.
1. Defund or repeal Obamacare -- if they can repeal it they will focus on replacing it with something that actually makes sense. If they can only defund it, they will do that until they can either get the supermajorities to override a Presidential veto, or if a Republican wins in 2012, Obamacare will be repealed.
2. Budget cuts to set the country on the path of a balanced budget.
3. Defund government organizations that outlived their purpose as well putting a stop to the EPA regulating Carbon.
4. Conduct a review of the TSA, EPA, Justice Department, etc.
5. Push to ban earmarks

Those are just what I can think of off the top of my head.