British mothers thrown out of nursery for being.. British :/

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Go and look it up for yourself. But not on from exaggerated left wing sources.

Lol, tax and living expenses? A lot of them get their living expenses paid for them. You obviously don't know much living in Canada, but my Brother works in London, he sees it all first hand, and not through the wooled eyes of a left winger. How is buying a computer the same thing? For it to be the same thing, it'd be like me buying it, then stealing the money back from the company the made it.

Facts and figures are all well and good, like less arrests means less crime? Yeah right. Seeing stuff in the flesh is a lot more credible than your so called facts.

They shouldn't be able to afford to sit around drinking and smoking, freaking hell I can't afford to run my car to get to work. Well it does need to be reduced, the child benefit. Cause of how much people can earn through having numerous kids. And then getting paid to stay off work for 12 months.

The human rights act protects the criminal. They spend all their time trying to find ways to make criminals life's easier, and how they can be rewarded for their crimes. If you kill someone, you should have your human rights taken away in return.

I know. The country is finished.

Child Benefit is a UNIVERSAL credit (ie everyone can claim it, unless they are stuck in that weird earnings trap at 45k) and it is NOT LOADS OF MONEY. Its twenty quid a week, going DOWN for each subsequent child. Unless you live in the 1950s, twenty quid is NOT a shedload of money, especially where a child is concerned. They are NOT cheap. They are not twenty quid cheap. For that matter, child benefit wont BUY 40 fags and a crate of beer a day. STOP READING THE MAIL.

Secondly, they aren't jobless dole-scroungers of they have taken 12 months off work, because they HAVE JOBS TO TAKE LEAVE FROM. And maternity leave is ALSO universal so that someone is at home to RAISE THE CHILDREN. REALLY STOP READING THE MAIL. Samantha Cameron had maternity leave. IS SHE A DOLE SCROUNGER? No, she's just married to that baby-faced prick in No.10. Please try and understand what is a benefit and what is not before you decide they should all be scrapped. Did your mother go straight back to work the day after you were born? No. And if you say she did, you're clearly lying. Sort your facts out.

I'm not going to argue about the importance of children needing financial assistance, as I would think that any help for parents in need I would certainly appreciate if my wife and I ever have kids. However, regarding welfare in general 20 pounds, which I think would be approximately $40 in the US, would not be a lot for an individual. However, such a number needs to be multiplied by the number of people not earning income who are receiving this individually insignificant amount of money to see the total amount being paid by people earning their income and paying taxes. Then divide that total amount being paid by taxpayers by the quantity of taxpayers, which ought to give you the average cost per taxpayer to provide a measely $40. It's of course a periodic flow of money from one person's pocket into another's pocket.

Here in America there is such a thing called the Social Security Administration, and if you properly qualify to be a welfare household then it usually will pay about $950 per month. Having more children, or "dependents" in general, means more money. In Shakopee, Minnesota, for instance, there's a family that I know which consists of a man and a woman who remain unmarried so that they'll qualify for financial assistance and cheap housing, along with their five children. They aren't bad people really, but they are playing a system which rewards bad situations with money. A single woman with a lot of children is given the most preference by the housing authority. Whereas a single man with no children (such as myself in 2006 through 2007), who is underemployed to the point of choosing whether to steal food from work and have a place to sleep at night or to buy food and rough it outdoors in the cold, is put in the very back of the queue for assistance. Similarly, my wife in 2006 was also single and not morally bankrupt, so she also was put at the back of the queue for assistance and had to live in her van for a few months. The welfare agencies are, in practice, set up to reward bad life decisions and to punish anyone who cares to make better decisions.

I'm not sure where you get £20 from, STOP READING THE GUARDIAN. They get all kinds of bonuses, which George Osbourn is trying to stop.

I don't read the mail, I actually read the Mirror, a left wing paper. Its funny to read their hypocrisy each day. I dunno, maybe you should start reading the Mail, here's one example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... R-way.html

I'm talking about people who do work as well, and who benefit financially from having kids. 9-12 month maternity leave is beyond outreagous. My Mother actually went back to work 6 weeks after having me. If you can't put your left wing agenda aside to see that getting 9-12 months paid maternity leave is wrong, then its obviously you who has trouble understanding.

I would love to mess with those childcare people.

What if an Irish mother went along with her child?
Or an American or Australian mother?

Would they be foreign enough or are some foreigners more equal than others?

No, absolutely no people speaking the English language are welcome. Sorry

BS. Child benefit is a FIXED RATE. There are no "bonuses". Know how I know? Because I get child benefit for my child, because its a UNIVERSAL BENEFIT. Clear?

As for your Daily Fail article.. I wouldn't wipe my arse with that Pro-Nazi rag. Though it does prove my point.



Guardians allowance? The Volkischer Beobachter clearly don't understand how that benefit applies if they think anyone there qualifies, as defined on the HMRC website. So unless one of their children is wholly adopted, they don't qualify. Which gives you some idea of the credibility that joke of a newspaper has. If they have lied about that, what else in that article is fictional? http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/childbenefit/pay ... ance.htm#4

Not to mention, as said before, just because SOME abuse the system, doesn't mean all should be disallowed. Tarring everyone with the same brush skirts dangerously close to stereotyping and evil practices.

Officially Maternity leave is divided into two 26 week periods. "Ordinary" and "Additional." This includes leave BEFORE the birth as well. A woman may not be eligible for maternity pay during that period. While taking maternity leave, they may be entitled to maternity pay either under your contract of employment or by law through Statutory Maternity Pay or Maternity Allowance, which can be paid for up to 39 weeks. The rules about maternity pay depend on how long they have worked for their employer, how much they earn and what their contract says.

The jury is out still as to whether returning to work early harms child development or not. Unicef reckon its a gamble, and the best the counter-argument can come up with is that as a net result, it might not matter either way because there are some benefits to returning to work. it is incredibly unfair to castigate mothers for wishing the best for their children, especially when "official guidance" can't tell its arse from its elbow, and many employers are incredibly inflexible about post-maternity employment.

Nice to see I get pigeon-holed with a left-wing agenda, simply because I don't believe in stereotyping the unemployed and benefits claimants, foreigners and mothers.

Childcare thinks of non-white immigrants as inferior races who need Western help to make it. If you warn them about this type of racism and racial inequality, they say YOU are racist. Stupid lefties...

Where does it say any of the people using that nursery cannot speak english? Are you reduced to just making s**t up now?

Dude, I think that was hyperbole. Of course you can speak English... so long as you have a Somali or Iranian accent.

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Since when is the Office for National Statistics a "left wing" source? The purpose of national statistical agencies is to provide reliable, impartial, non-partisan data for public policy makers. Certainly politicians and the media may skew data for their own political purposes--the the raw data is there for anyone to access.



Well, unless your brother is someone who gets his, "living expenses paid," for him, then no, he doesn't see it all first hand. He, like you, sees circumstances around him and makes assumptions about what's going on.

And wool covered eyes are not the exclusive province of the left wing. All partisans are subject to finding evidence to support their biases and prejudices.



First off, you are complaining about foreigners getting "95% of the jobs" and sending "95% of the money" offshore. Stealing has nothing to do with it. If you have a job, you have earned the money, and you may do with it what you like.

Secondly, every time you buy a product made in China, in Indian, or in other parts of Europe, you are sending your money offshore. Every imported good and service, every holiday that a British person takes abroad is another pound that is leaving the country. It doesn't matter whether it's a person in Britain sending 100 pounds to family in India, or a Briton spending money on a product that cost 100 pounds to import.



Again, partisans can skew data to suit their own political ends, and a critical reader will spot the faulty logic. Fewer (not less) arrests can, indeed mean fewer crimes committed. But it can also mean fewer police officers available to address crime. Fewer reports of crime can mean fewer crimes committed, but it can also mean a greater number of people failing to report, or electing not to report crime. So the intelligent reader goes on to look behind the first statistic to see the larger story.

So long as the right wing is populated by people too ignorant and lazy to actually do the research, we in the center can rest easy.

Right, what about pregnancy grants, maternity grants, child trust funds, child tax credits, child care allowance, plus all the school stuff? More than 20 quid a week I reckon! Clear? I understand now why you're so sensitive about the issue, as you're a young mother.

All that info is irrelevant about child allowance, anyone devious woman will play the system to make sure they get the full amount, and they do. And actually Labour set up a rule that you can start with a company one day, get pregnant the next and then you're entitled to 12 months leave.

But you stereotype anything to do with the right wing? Nice going hypocrite.

And in the Daily Express today 75% of people claiming benefits are pulling a fast one. Thats too many, and hence why something needs to be done about the system.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/225 ... re-skiving


Its funny, when clicking on that page, I got some spam page come up about claiming for injuries lol.

I was being sarcastic, hence the wink. The English they speak probably isn't easy to understand.

You obviously just sit on a computer reading all these facts. But if you got out there and got your hands dirty, you'd see things for how they are. Maybe its different in Canada.

Unlike you, my Brother has common sense. Common sense is not something you can gain through reading data. So the thousands of Eastern Europeans flying to Ireland and taking money back home with them, nothing wrong with that no?

So you find evidence to support your biases and prejudices too yes?

Yes, people can do what they like with the money, but its up to the goverment to stop these people coming into the country at such a massive rate. If you have a little walk around London, you'll see mostly foreign workers. I tried asking quite a few for directions once, they couldn't even speak English.

So now you're using vacations/holidays to compare with a foreign worker, working here and sending most of their money back home? Now I know you have no common sense.

You in the centre? The only thing worse than a radical left winger is one that doesn't even realise they are one.