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it's a trick question: angelrho doesn't accept emotions as the result of chemical reactions, but rather he believes the chemical reactions are a byproduct of (magical) emotions.

morals are as real as the number 5. i don't understand how the use of morals, any more than the use of the number 5, leads to "magic." try harder.

It has nothing to do with "magic." Richardbenson wrote that believing in things you can't [perceive] means you are mentally ill or some such.

No, I don't accept emotions as the RESULT of chemical reactions, but that's really irrelevant here.

Take your response, waltur. You believe morals are real. You believe the number 5 is real. If I understand richardbenson correctly, there must be some way to "perceive" morals or emotions (and so on) in some kind of physical way. Morals cannot be perceived or quantified in empirical terms, which is what I think richardbenson is talking about. If I'm wrong, you need to show me what a gram of morality looks like, or perhaps the chemical makeup of "emotion." I don't mean merely dumping a mixture of the same chemicals in the brain that transmit neural signals. I mean right here, right now, THIS is "emotion." The plain fact is you can't show it to exist.

The number 5 is an abstract concept. We use it to describe various things, such as cardinality (itself also abstract) or quantity (how many fingers I have on my hands). The NUMERAL 5 exists as a symbolic representation of the number, but we don't have "5" all by itself. It doesn't exist.

What I'm saying, waltur, is according to richardbenson, you have a mental illness!! ! Now, don't blame me or some "magic" for you being mentally ill. You need to talk to richardbenson about that, because he's the one calling you (and me, for that matter) mentally ill.

bolded: the answer.

the number 5 is shorthand for an abstract concept. ***** how many asterisks is that? oh, right... we invented a shortcut to answer that question. without such a shortcut, enumeration is quite difficult -or at least, the communication of such enumeration. it's a concept we invented to explain something. you know, like the gods.

as to the chemical makeup of emotion (and everything else that is part of your perception of your "self"), i recommend trying a little harder before giving up on finding answers. one of my favorite places to find information on how the brain works is neuroscience (scicurious does a great job explaining a lot of the harder concepts to anyone willing to look up words they don't understand http://scientopia.org/blogs/scicurious/science-101/) of course, you could just ask your shaman/prophet/priest/whoeveritisyouliketohear"goddidit"from.

morals, being relative, work quite like mathematics, in a complicated way that involves taking into account other persons and their emotional and physical well being. unfortunately, a lot of people seem to think "morals" are god-given (magic) and have f*** all to do with actually being decent to each other.

i don't see how numbers or comparisons = belief in magic. i sincerely doubt richardbenson believes as you imply.

Uhh, yes I believe in emotions. Morals on the other hand are subjective for everyone, and i dont need religion to be a good person, or do what is right

But you can't SEE emotions (in a physical sense). You "feel" emotions. If we're talking about empirical proof for emotions, then we're talking about something for which "feelings" are invalid. You say morals are subjective--debatable, but not the point--but you nevertheless believe in "morals" or "morality." No matter whether morality is "objective" or "subjective," it is still something that you claim exists but that you cannot, as you put it, "see."

According to you, people who believe in something they cannot see are mentally ill (you said "should be considered mentally ill"). Let's see if I have this correct:

1. Richardbenson believes that people who believe in things they cannot see are mentally ill.
2. Emotions and morality cannot be seen.
3. Richardbenson believes in emotions and morality.
4. Therefore, Richardbenson believes that he (richardbenson) is mentally ill.

Let me ask you this: Do you believe that you are mentally ill?

Emotions and morality can be seen. When someone crys thats an emotion, you can see it
When someone kills another person because of jihad thats thier own truth about what is moral
you can see it

So you were saying?

God cannot be seen. but yet people pray to him, to me thats a form of mental illness

Crying is not an emotion. Crying is a physical response to an emotion, but it is not "emotion." When someone cries, you might assume that they are sad, but any range of intense emotion might trigger crying. Some people, when they have experienced something so unspeakably devastating, will break out into hysterical fits of laughter until they can fully appreciate what has happened. IDK, call it "cognitive dissonance" if you want. But what you see is not emotion. What you see is laughing or crying. "Crying" is not an emotion. "Anger" IS an emotion. "Joy" is an emotion. There is any range of responses to emotions. You see the response, but not the emotion itself.

Like I said, I'm not going to get into what is/is-not moral. "Killing someone" is not a moral. It's an action which may or may not be morally justified, but it's still only an action. You can't "see" the morality that drives or inspires the action.

Nice try, but you have not "shown" me that emotions and morality are real in that sense.

I'll also avoid the emotion-before-neuron route that I'd normally take. Whether emotions trigger neural impulses or neural impulses are the cause of emotions, it is still demonstrable that emotions and nerve impulses are not one and the same. A nerve impulse is a nerve impulse, might show up on brain imaging, but it isn't something that we can observe in brain tissue in order to effect a sympathetic response. I can't look at a brain scan and "feel" what that person is feeling, nor would that person really agree that what they're feeling is really most accurately represented in a brain image. A brain image is a brain image. An emotion is an emotion. They are not the same.

So can you demonstrate that emotion is something you can directly see? You showed me a way that an emotion might manifest itself indirectly, but those manifestations might have other root causes. What if someone is crying because they are having some sort of seizure, no emotions involved? What if someone just has bad allergies resulting in watery eyes? I'm not worried about crying. I'm worried about "emotions." Can you trap "ambivalence" in a jar and tell me what color it is? If I had to guess, I'd say it was actually two colors--purple on one side and violet on the other, split exactly down the middle between the two. But again, I don't "know" that because I've never "seen" ambivalence. However, I've felt it countless times.

Yet you believe in emotions and morality.

So answer this question: Are you mentally ill?

Ok, well I can see this is going nowhere. The fact of the matter is god didnt write the bible
Some counsel put it together, carefully. I dont think people who see "emotions" or "moraility" as mentally ill because IMO you can see them, in action.

When you pray what exactly are you doing? talking to an invisible guy. to me, thats mental illness. and if that wasnt bad enough you base your morality on this guy

No, that's talking on the telephone. The Bible was "put together" by people who had had direct experience of God and wanted to pass that experience/knowledge on. They'd seen God in action and said so. The first letter of John begins with that explicit point. Is trusting the testimony of others not a form of knowing?

So why doesnt god show up like he did back in the day? I mean really, dude was destroying towns with fire, parting seas. killing people left and right with his pinky. why is he so shy now?

And the first 4 books of the new testament cant even be traced to an origional source.
A hypothetical document called the "Q" document suposidly exists, but more than likely doesnt. My memorys a little off but 2 or three of them seem to be copied from one of the first 4 gospels. I'm a skeptic, the testimony of someone really doesnt hold up all that much weight with me because you dont know for an absolute fact thats how it went down.

If anything, i think christianity is like any other religion. they want to snuff out the compatition and replace it with something new (wich is clearly what they tried and did to do to the pagans)

Edit: also when you have a scripture that says: We walk by faith not by sight, that throws up red flags eveywhere for me, because well I dont know about you but i like to know whats going on

But God did inspire men to write His words down. People in business and law do dictation all the time, passing that along to their assistants via voice recording and/or Dragonspeech to write down. Those words are as good as the words that were originally spoken.


Are you referring to the church councils? The OT was already in a compiled format and the NT books were already widely distributed individually by the 2nd century. These books were accepted as inspired scripture long before the councils. All the councils did was formally establish that the books already in use were THE accepted, divinely inspired scripture and establish a precedent as the message spread throughout the world. The basis for developing doctrine is not a good thing to disagree on, and heresy abounded even before the end of the 1st century.


So you don't see yourself as mentally ill for believing in invisible things (emotions, morals, etc.). Ok, good.

1. Richardbenson believes that people who believe in things they can't see are mentally ill.
2. Emotions and morals are things that cannot be seen
3. Richardbenson believes in emotions and morals
4. Richardbenson is NOT mentally ill.
5. Therefore, #1 is false.


It's not mental illness at all. Look at your own logic. #4 contradicts #1. You don't really believe that, or you are inconsistent if you do. I'm picking on emotions and moral values because, to me, that's just what immediately comes to mind. What about thoughts? Thoughts are invisible. You have thoughts, don't you? Lots of things are invisible, yet we believe them. It's not insanity to do so.

Show some proof that god inspired men to write the bible. I guess also, that before the flood rainbows didnt exist because god set it as a covenant to never kill anyone again with water?

Well, i have to say that if there was water vapor in the air and a little bit of sunlight there was always a rainbow. It had nothing to do with god, and why would he need to see something like that everytime it rained? I thought he was god and knew everything?

You can see emotions and morals. so i really dont know why you keep saying I cant see them
because i can.

The counsel put those books in the cannon because they all jived with each other. the apocriphal books had one too many dragons in them, and it was almost completely unbelievable thats why those current books are in there. God didnt inspire anything, mans imagination did

Also if the bible was written by god, or even "divinely inspired" by him there wouldnt be 1 contradiction in there. But if you google bible contradictions it looks like there are hundreds
wich would say to me that some perfect diety didnt inspire it because men wrote it

Just because one cannot see something, does not mean it is not real. Further, there have been sightings of Angels.

Easy. I'm finishing up reading Exodus right now. Many passages begin with something like "And the Lord said to Moses, 'Say to the Israelites..'" When Moses writes down what the Lord told Him, it is inspired. Any time a prophet says something like "these are the words of the Lord," he is reminding the person to whom he is sent that what he says is not something he just made up or came up with, but that the words come from God. Would you like for me to cite specific passages? The OT is riddled with them.


The Bible never says that rainbows didn't exist prior to the covenant with Noah.


God knows everything, but Noah DIDN'T know everything, nor did his family. God merely pointed out the rainbow and instructed Noah to remember what all had happened and take comfort that such a catastrophe would never again be allowed to happen (through water, that is).


What does an emotion look like? What shape does it have? Is it transparent or opaque? Does it have a particular color or is it clear? Can you taste it? Does it have a smell? Is it solid, liquid or gas?


The Apocrypha isn't accepted as canon.


List ONE contradiction.

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1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7



24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39




58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44



108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
John 8:18,14
Christ's witness of himself is not true.
John 5:31
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
John 15:13/ John 10:11
Christ laid down his life for his enemies
Rom 5:10
115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 19:7
It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 18:31
116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
Ex 20:5
Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
Ezek 18:20
117. Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
118. It is impossible to fall from grace
John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
It is possible to fall from grace
Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
119. No man is without sin
1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
Christians are sinless
1 John 3: 9,6,8
120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
There is to be no resurrection of the dead
Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
Prov 11:31
Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
Endless misery the portion of all mankind
Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
123. The Earth is to be destroyed
2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
The Earth is never to be destroyed
Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
124. No evil shall happen to the godly
Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
Evil does happen to the godly
Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
Job 42:12
Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
Prov 15:6
Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
Luke 6:24
127. The Christian yoke is easy
Matt 11:28,29,30
The Christian yoke is not easy
John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
Gal 5:22
The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
Longevity denied to the wicked
Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
130. Poverty a blessing
Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
Riches a blessing
Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
Prov 30:8,9
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
Prov 3:13,17
Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
Eccl 1:17,18
132. A good name is a blessing
Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
A good name is a curse
Luke 6:26
133. Laughter commended
Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
Laughter condemned
Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
Prov 22:15
There is no remedy for foolishness
Prov 27:22
135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:5
A fool should not be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:4
136. Temptation to be desired
James 1:2
Temptation not to be desired
Matt 6:13
137. Prophecy is sure
2 Pet 1:19
Prophecy is not sure
Jer 18:7-10
138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
Man's life is but seventy years
Ps 90:10
139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
Gen 9:2
The fear of man is not upon the lion
Prov 30:30
140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
Miracles not a proof of divine mission
Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
141. Moses was a very meek man
Num 12:3
Moses was a very cruel man
Num 31:15,17
142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11
None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13
143. All scripture is inspired
2 Tim 3:16
Some scripture is not inspired
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

Thats just some of them.

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How is that a contradiction?