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17 Mar 2011, 10:35 am

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I consider the Tea Party to be a rebranding of the conservative wing of the Republican Party, re-energized by right-wing media figures like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Its ideas about debt reduction, lowered taxes, cuts to social-welfare spending, and "small government" sound like a pretty typical Republican platform. It's attracted all kinds of elements from the Right, though, and propelled some libertarian and conservative arguments to the fore through a new public-relations style (townhall protests, decentralized organizing, using technology to organize chapters, etc.).


It reeks of an overcharged ad-attack in the style of the Southern Strategy. It's not old school Republican platforms, it's Southern Strategy "let's appeal to the racistst in the rural areas" Republican platforms like cutting social programs that benefit the poor (and thereby, mostly minorities).


What is with you and spamming the race card?!?!

Seriously do you even know what racism is, cause it is starting to look like you really don't.


I'm not accusing of direct racism...just that the policies themselves were born of racism and it still has racist effects. You really should learn your political history so that you know what's going on instead of just spouting whatever nonsense you hear on Fox News or on Rush's radio program.


Cute, cause I really don't care what color someone's skin is. It looks more like your definition of a racist is anyone whom disagrees with you.


I'm not calling you racist. I'm calling you too stupid to see how the policies you support hurt minorities and that the original intent of such policies was to attract racists. It's become such an endemic policy that most people legitimately support it because they believe it rather than support it for its racist undertones which have all but been wiped out of view except for those of us who actually care about what happens to society when you implement such policies.

The policies you support create a class apartheid that hurts minorities moreso than white people but the bottom line of it is that it hurts people and creates a legal segregation between classes in society. It destroys social and economic mobility below a certain threshold.


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17 Mar 2011, 10:44 am

I keep noticing that for some odd reason rethuglicans and teabaggers are more likely to "use the race card".

A: I disagree with this, because...
B: Oh, you evil liberals always using the race card.


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17 Mar 2011, 11:07 am

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I keep noticing that for some odd reason rethuglicans and teabaggers are more likely to "use the race card".

A: I disagree with this, because...
B: Oh, you evil liberals always using the race card.


Yep, the 'Race Card - Card', painting oneself as a victim


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17 Mar 2011, 11:10 am

But now you used the Race Card Card Card.


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17 Mar 2011, 2:29 pm

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But now you used the Race Card Card Card.


:D caught me red handed


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17 Mar 2011, 3:15 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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I keep noticing that for some odd reason rethuglicans and teabaggers are more likely to "use the race card".

A: I disagree with this, because...
B: Oh, you evil liberals always using the race card.


Yep, the 'Race Card - Card', painting oneself as a victim


Are you using the Race Card Card Card?

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17 Mar 2011, 4:28 pm

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But now you used the Race Card Card Card.

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17 Mar 2011, 6:44 pm

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I'm not calling you racist. I'm calling you too stupid to see how the policies you support hurt minorities and that the original intent of such policies was to attract racists.


You're full of it. Seriously, stop accusing people of being racists just cause they disagree with you.

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It's become such an endemic policy that most people legitimately support it because they believe it rather than support it for its racist undertones which have all but been wiped out of view except for those of us who actually care about what happens to society when you implement such policies.


Sure whatever, oh someone disagrees with you so you call them racist.

Sarcasm: Yeah everyone that thinks Obama is running is racist they want to burn black churches. :roll:

What part of this has nothing to do with race do you not understand?

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The policies you support create a class apartheid that hurts minorities moreso than white people but the bottom line of it is that it hurts people and creates a legal segregation between classes in society. It destroys social and economic mobility below a certain threshold.


:roll:

It's only going to create that if people just buy into the idea that they are the victims and so they are entitled to things. Enough is enough, I don't owe someone anything for what my great great grandfather may have done well over a century ago. People shouldn't be judged by the color of their skins, if you came from a disadvantaged/poor background you may have to work a little harder, but life isn't set just by the cards you're dealt with, it is how you play those cards.



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17 Mar 2011, 6:57 pm

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But now you used the Race Card Card Card.
And you should get it by now that the card can go back and forth as many times as possible, which makes it a double edged sword.



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17 Mar 2011, 6:59 pm

skafather what policies are you talkging about? know fr a fact that ther e are overzealous liberals who call anyone who is afgaginst affirmative action racist so i just wanna rule that out



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17 Mar 2011, 7:17 pm

Personally I HATE the Tea Party movement. Maybe not all of them are racist, fundamentalist, homophobic, uber-capitalist jerks, but the way they portray themselves sure makes it seem that way.

And, although I strongly support the reduction of government debt, I think it is ridiculous to claim to do that and at the same time cut taxes. If government were a business (and Tea Partyers seem to be capitalists, so surely they respect business sense) then you would NEVER say that to reduce your dept you are also going to reduce your major source of income. I know they also intend to cut social services, but still, it seems rather strange to me.

I strongly believe that people have to pay their share to make society work. And I think that since rich people can afford more, they should have to pay more. In return, I think the government should guarantee certain things for us. For example, good education (and I mean public schools here), guaranteed health care (regardless of economic position), etc. But, because I support these things, no doubt the Tea Party would brand me a communist (I mean, are we in the 1950s or something? How passe is that?).



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17 Mar 2011, 7:27 pm

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skafather what policies are you talkging about?


The targeting of education and Planned Parenthood as of late. Educaton, though, I'd say is the main target.


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17 Mar 2011, 7:41 pm

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Personally I HATE the Tea Party movement. Maybe not all of them are racist, fundamentalist, homophobic, uber-capitalist jerks, but the way they portray themselves sure makes it seem that way.

And, although I strongly support the reduction of government debt, I think it is ridiculous to claim to do that and at the same time cut taxes. If government were a business (and Tea Partyers seem to be capitalists, so surely they respect business sense) then you would NEVER say that to reduce your dept you are also going to reduce your major source of income. I know they also intend to cut social services, but still, it seems rather strange to me.



It's, in essence, saying "We're going to cut our profit margins to nil and pray that our sales rates can keep up with the drop!!" Which, anyone who works in an actual business (rather than a publicly-traded national chain) knows that such policies don't work.


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17 Mar 2011, 7:43 pm

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skafather what policies are you talkging about?


The targeting of education and Planned Parenthood as of late. Educaton, though, I'd say is the main target.
Planned Parenthood is BS, and yes education needs to be improved but every time someone emphasizes education when talking about poverty as if it's the only key to helping the impoverished it makes me cringe. What we need to focus on is the maladaptive nad dsysfunctional culture of poverty. This paragidmg doesn't encourage the values which are required for success in education (self restraint, emotional control, long term perspective, ability to defer gratification, etc) and this is what education should really address. Throwing books at the poor is just as futile as throwingh money at em. And where does this culture of pvoerty come from? It's a mutual feeling shared among those who maladaptively adjust to poverty. It takes personal responsibility to rise above it, but realize that this is a paradigm we're talking about so there's considerable inertia and it will take a lot more than just a kick in the ass. One has to gradually drop his/her worldview.

What the hell is racist about wanting to defund planned parenthood? Thisis a legit race card you're thorwing here.

EDIT: My bad I relaized you didn't mean racist but that it hurts minorities. The poor might happen to have more abortions but I don't believe it justifies caving in to irresponsiblity



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17 Mar 2011, 10:02 pm

What are you talking about, education is the most efficient way that could be used to integrate people who grew up in poverty to 'mainstream' or 'middle class' culture. What else would you use, getting rid of abortions won't magically make people responsible again it'll just saddle them with children that will grow up with the same weaknesses as their parents.