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17 Apr 2011, 6:43 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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I can be sure that ... I come to conclusions with that you can be certain that I'm right.

Whenever its about ... religion I'm very certain that I'm right, most of the time, I'm never wrong.

Rubbish.

So's every other narcisist in the world :roll:

Are you really so special that your faith is better than Mr. Arabs faith, or Mr. Indians faith?

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17 Apr 2011, 6:45 pm

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Either way, I burn in the eternal fires of hell ...

I doubt that.

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... and god is ... jealous ...

Yes ...

"Yahuah is ... not wishing that any should perish ..." (2 Peter 3:9)
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I appreciate your faith in me, sir

but as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

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17 Apr 2011, 6:48 pm

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Calvinism? No thanks
I guess God planned for me to die young from the get go. Thanks God, great sense of humor, @#!*%

Actually, Luther believed in predestination, too. Lutheran churches did not follow that.

I don't think I believe it.

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17 Apr 2011, 6:50 pm

Vigilans wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

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Either way, I burn in the eternal fires of hell ...

I doubt that.

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... and god is ... jealous ...

Yes ...

"Yahuah is ... not wishing that any should perish ..." (2 Peter 3:9)
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I appreciate your faith in me, sir

but as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

To put it lightly, this is you in 80 years, albeit the face.

Your gonna fry buddy

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17 Apr 2011, 6:54 pm

If i could buy the concept of an omnipotent and omniscient being - and i can't - i don't think I'd be able to then also buy the concept that this is all just some sort of clockwork mechanism.

An ultimate plan, sure, but implying that everything is going according to predetermined details of the plan implies things like the satan figure - if you believe in it, and i don't - being another tool of the plan.

I think this is why, as Jacob put it, theists - at least, angry theists - argue that their deity is a dick.

Myself, I don't see a reason to be angry at something that doesn't exist.

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17 Apr 2011, 6:54 pm

@ryan93
lol more like 20 years
But, I'm tired of cold Canadian winters, so some heat will be a nice change of pace

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17 Apr 2011, 7:08 pm

Isn't it a little ironic that woodss82 is essentially preaching after the way he has treated one of the members of these forums? I hesitate to post this, but I had to get this off my chest.

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17 Apr 2011, 7:12 pm

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Isn't it a little ironic that woodss82 is essentially preaching after the way he has treated one of the members of these forums? I hesitate to post this, but I had to get this off my chest.

Not sure who/what you're talking about? But I definitely think predestination is in some ways, cop-out behavior. The poor are poor because God planned that. The Jews have been persecuted for millennium because it was God's plan, not human intolerance. I find the whole concept somewhat insulting in a way. I didn't know Luther was into predestination as well. But I'm not an ex-Christian or anything, I've never read the Bible, so I don't pretend to be an expert on the deep parts of the religion. I am somewhat versed in the history of the religion however

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17 Apr 2011, 7:26 pm

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

Personally, I believe there is a difference between the non-believer (the agnostic or the undecided/unsure one) and the one who has actually "heard" in a knowing way and yet turns away ... and I am inclined to believe each will be handled differently. But in the end, I doubt there is any "eternal torment", as such, to be forever suffered by every "non-believer".

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17 Apr 2011, 7:29 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

I guess I am headed for punishment, then.

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17 Apr 2011, 7:39 pm

Frieslander wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

I guess I am headed for punishment, then.

I do not claim to know what that "punishment" might be, but I staunchly defend your free-will right to make your own well-informed choice ...

"Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Elohim and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind!
"For Elohim shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil."
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17 Apr 2011, 8:47 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

But what else CAN there be?

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17 Apr 2011, 9:01 pm

AngelRho wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

But what else CAN there be?

Here is one possibility:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IivaDS3eWrE[/youtube]

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18 Apr 2011, 12:43 am

AngelRho wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

But what else CAN there be?

leejosepho seems the christian kind that does not believe in eternal torment, unlike other christians, which I wonder how many, wheter the majority believe this or not, that God will torture the unfaithful for eternity.

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18 Apr 2011, 12:45 am

leejosepho wrote:

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... as a non-believer I am destined for punishment, no?

That's a very reasonable point of view. I hope that, should I find after my death, that I am still somehow in existence, it turns out I won't suffer all of eternity for not ever being part of a religion

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18 Apr 2011, 1:42 am

What is God's reason to test faith?
Why is faith necessary?
Do you also consider the Qur'an a reliable source?
Were you raised to be Christian?
If you were raised Muslim do you believe you would be Christian right now?

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