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Is "your not from the country we're debating about" the stupidest cop out ever devised on internet forums?
YES! 15%  15%  [ 2 ]
Doubly YES!! 85%  85%  [ 11 ]
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22 Apr 2011, 10:53 pm

Bethie wrote:
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EXACTLY. Also statistics are subject to interpretation and attribution of cause and effect just like personal experience is. Neither of em should be relied on alone, but there's no substitute for seeing things first hand.


Sure there is.

MANY people, who are versed in methodology and elimination of variables in a controlled environment seeing things first hand. :roll:
Yeah I guess watching porn substitutes doing it for real :roll:. Sitting back and analyzing something is much different from living it. A controlled environment allows you to see things as they are more reductively, but it will not give you the subtle cues you pick up on from living in an uncontrolled environment which allows you to see the bigger picture.

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There is by definition no argument that can be made,
except about one's own experiences,
which would be considered empirically-supported by ONE'S OWN EXPERIENCES.

Not "not relied on alone", but not relied on at ALL.

Science fail.
Huh?



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23 Apr 2011, 1:10 am

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Yeah I guess watching porn substitutes doing it for real :roll:.

It is only YOU who is asserting personal experience of a phenomena is needed to explain its mechanisms, so this is a circular....comment.
In any case, a holistic view of human sexuality would require general knowledge in psychology, gender studies, biology, and more.
(Oh, and equating sex with porn is like equating food with McDonald's.)

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Sitting back and analyzing something is much different from living it. A controlled environment allows you to see things as they are more reductively, but it will not give you the subtle cues you pick up on from living in an uncontrolled environment which allows you to see the bigger picture.

The exact opposite, actually.
Personal experiences are exactly that-personal, and devoid of any academic understanding of the themes involved apart from the personal feelings they happen to provoke.
"The bigger picture" is necessarily only seen by someone outside a situation- an impartial observer.

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Science fail.
Huh?

You fail at science, if you assert (rolling with your example) banging X number of chicks is remotely, dimensionally as authoritative when making assertions about sex as a whole as peer-reviewed cross-discipline research.


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23 Apr 2011, 1:26 am

Bethie wrote:
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Yeah I guess watching porn substitutes doing it for real :roll:.

It is only YOU who is asserting personal experience of a phenomena is needed to explain its mechanisms, so this is a circular....comment.
In any case, a holistic view of human sexuality would require general knowledge in psychology, gender studies, biology, and more.
(Oh, and equating porn with sex is like equating McDonald's with food.)
Experiences definitely need to be made sense out of through knowledge in abstract concepts. The basic mechanism can be understood through inference, but the subtleties can only be understood through experience.

Bethie wrote:
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Bethie wrote:
Science fail.
Huh?

You fail at science, if you assert (rolling with your example) banging X number of chicks is remotely, dimensionally as authoritative when making assertions about sex as a whole as peer-reviewed cross-discipline research.
I'll admit it was unreasonable for me to say they are equally subject to interpretation and attribution of cause and effect. Studying in a controlled environment is more reductive and therefore rules out more of the subjective crap. There's still no substitute for personal experience since you pick up on subtleties you otherwise can't, but studies do have the advantage of being reductive and likewise personal experience has the advantage of being inclusive.



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23 Apr 2011, 3:26 am

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How utterly absurd, to define one's self by and take pride in something so beyond your control as where you're born.


Patriotism- the belief that your country is the best in the world simply by virtue of you being born there

f**k that sh**! :P


There are alot of legal immigrants in America that are more patriotic for here than where they are from. They all said "f**k this s**t" and came Here! :P

There's something about communism, corrupt police and governments, and guerrilla warfare, and genocide that saps people's patriotism for some places and makes them patriotic for others.


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23 Apr 2011, 8:40 am

Vigilans wrote:
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How utterly absurd, to define one's self by and take pride in something so beyond your control as where you're born.


Patriotism- the belief that your country is the best in the world simply by virtue of you being born there



Or it could mean - what a great country! Aren't I lucky to be living there.

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23 Apr 2011, 9:21 am

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Is "your not from the country we're debating about" the stupidest cop out ever devised on internet forums?"
YES!
Doubly YES!!


Yes and doubly yes as choices don’t make up a very well rounded poll but given the poll starter’s political orientation I can’t say I’m too surprised.
:roll:

Anyhow, it depends on what they are commenting on and what their comments are based on when it comes to their opinions on other countries.

And, yes, I am proud to be an American so that makes me a nationalist in that sense so get over it.



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23 Apr 2011, 1:05 pm

Raptor wrote:
Quote:
Is "your not from the country we're debating about" the stupidest cop out ever devised on internet forums?"
YES!
Doubly YES!!


Yes and doubly yes as choices don’t make up a very well rounded poll but given the poll starter’s political orientation I can’t say I’m too surprised.
:roll:

Anyhow, it depends on what they are commenting on and what their comments are based on when it comes to their opinions on other countries.

And, yes, I am proud to be an American so that makes me a nationalist in that sense so get over it.


Nationalism existed in America much before what people think it is now. Unfortunately people really do not like to read other than a few pages of a history textbook in school in order to make a logical opinion on matters.


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23 Apr 2011, 2:17 pm

Fact is that our country is our country. Muslims and all. We must integrate. They'll bring their culture, we'll bring ours. There must be no aggressive conversion on either side. Pakistani Muslims are part of our nation. We'll not deny our heritage but at the end of the day we live here.

The Polish seem more than happy to integrate - I know many of 'em myself. Cracking folk. And I'm a huge fan of Polish cuisine - I should be, being a fat bastard as I have off their food!

It's a funny thing, as I frequently leave even my Polish friends with bizarre reactions with some of the requests I make for Polish food and beer. A test of my interest in eastern European culture, I think.

But, no, our country is our own and will not be spoken down to by some foggy-headed idiots from Brussels. :)

Now, where's that crate of Żywiec Porter and my Scotch egg - I've been looking forward to that! Oh, and pass me them white sausages too! :)



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24 Apr 2011, 9:35 am

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Fact is that our country is our country.

But, no, our country is our own


Did I miss Tautology Day? :?


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24 Apr 2011, 2:38 pm

Strange, I never actually gave my two cents on the topic. There's a difference between gratefulness and pride. It's okay to be grateful about living in a certain country, but when it becomes what your pride is based on it is a slippery slope to douchebaggery. I'm grateful for living in a country where I don't have to walk miles to get a bucket of water that only lasts me a day, but my pride isn't based on things I have no control other.