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24 Apr 2011, 5:21 pm

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This doesn't prove there's a n****r gene that makes blacks inferior.

Not even racism, but the concept of race ITSELF is so laughable to someone with an even elementary background in archeo-genetics-
there is quite simply NO group in existence today that didn't come about from extensive interbreeding between other groups, sometimes several. Race is as arbitrary as hair color- perhaps more so.
Well I'm no expert in that but afaik we're all homo sapien so it makes sense.


For several decades now my standard response when I hear a racial or ethnic slur is to say "Those dang humans!"


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24 Apr 2011, 5:33 pm

I think if Leftists change their party line and begin to actively discourage and frown upon "Black pride" and other such expressions of minority identity both in Africa and the USA, than I think racialism could markedly decline. Most present white racism, especially in Africa, seems to be a reaction to very overt demonstrations of black power and solidarity. Alot of racism goes in the opposite direction in most multicultural First-World countries, and I think by toning down alot of the Muslim-exceptionality, black-exceptionality, etc, you would see a huge decrease in tension from both sides.

White people are expected to be generally egalitarian, ethnically-non-aligned, and passive, while minorities are encouraged to cultivate their own ethnic identities as a group and "find their voice", so i think this double-standard contributes to alot of latent tension and conflict. Caucasians generally adhere to more passive ideologies within their consensus, and minorities to more aggressive and radicalized ones.



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24 Apr 2011, 5:38 pm

Count_Lustig wrote:
I think if Leftists change their party line and begin to actively discourage and frown upon "Black pride" and other such expressions of minority identity both in Africa and the USA, than I think racialism could markedly decline. Most present white racism, especially in Africa, seems to be a reaction to very overt demonstrations of black power and solidarity. Alot of racism goes in the opposite direction in most multicultural First-World countries, and I think by toning down alot of the Muslim-exceptionality, black-exceptionality, etc, I think you would see a huge decrease in tension from both sides.

So if all the n*ggers just STFU about being treated equally and their pride in their culture and heritage,
racism would....decline?
Have I fallen into.....THE TWILIGHT ZONE?
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White people are expected to be generally egalitarian, ethnically-non-aligned

Say what now?


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24 Apr 2011, 5:43 pm

Count_Lustig wrote:
I think if Leftists change their party line and begin to actively discourage and frown upon "Black pride" and other such expressions of minority identity both in Africa and the USA, than I think racialism could markedly decline. Most present white racism, especially in Africa, seems to be a reaction to very overt demonstrations of black power and solidarity. Alot of racism goes in the opposite direction in most multicultural First-World countries, and I think by toning down alot of the Muslim-exceptionality, black-exceptionality, etc, you would see a huge decrease in tension from both sides.


Bang on. A lot of the problems are actually being caused by 'liberal' state-enforced multiculturalism. It's interesting to see even some Muslims speak out against this, as they're being treated as 'different' and separate from the rest of the population, like they're some group that's set in stone. Multiculturalism (which often isn't multiculturalism but is a euphemism for hatred, division and segregation) would be best off consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs.



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24 Apr 2011, 5:45 pm

I should add that it's impossible to have a debate with anyone about immigration in this country because you will be shouted down and accused of all sorts of things for having an opposing view.

The Left deliberately confuse anti-(mass) immigration sentiment with anti-immigrant hatred.



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24 Apr 2011, 6:01 pm

Agree

If I was black or a minority, I would feel offended and patronized by the degree to which the Ivory-Tower left "cultivated" me and tried to channel my identity (perhaps for use as a bloc-vote.) All of the minority-achievement propaganda is so obviously contrived anyway that I don't know how any self-respecting person could take it seriously

What you find is alot of nannying, social-engineering, and "soft" and passive-aggressive authoritarianism from the Left with regards to their immigration party-line. Caucasians generally are expected to subscribe to "Type-B" values like multiculturalism, teamwork, interdependence, etc. Unlike previous authoritarian movements, the new leftist-nannies are generally more covert about it all, and aren't too in-your-face with loads of speeches, parades, rallies, and such.

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o if all the n*ggers just STFU about being treated equally and their pride in their culture and heritage,
racism would....decline?
Have I fallen into.....THE TWILIGHT ZONE?


It makes more sense to not have a double standard and either let Whites start having their own set-asides, or to have minorities subscribe to the same milquetoast ideologies the liberals have been pushing hard on Caucasians for the past 50 years. The current double standard sets up a huge basis for future conflict.



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24 Apr 2011, 6:03 pm

Count_Lustig wrote:
^ I agree.........

If I was black or a minority, I would feel offended and patronized by the degree to which the Ivory-Tower left "cultivated" me and tried to channel my identity (perhaps for use as a bloc-vote.) All of the minority-achievement propaganda is so obviously contrived anyway that I don't know how any self-respecting person could take it seriously

What you find is alot of "soft" and passive-aggressive authoritarianism from the Left with regards to their immigration party-line. Caucasians generally are expected to subscribe to "Type-B" values like multiculturalism, teamwork, interdependence, etc. Unlike previous authoritarian movements, the new leftist-nannies are generally more covert about it all, and aren't too in-your-face with loads of speeches, parades, rallies, and such.

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o if all the n*ggers just STFU about being treated equally and their pride in their culture and heritage,
racism would....decline?
Have I fallen into.....THE TWILIGHT ZONE?


It makes more sense to not have a double standard and either let Whites start having their own set-asides, or to have minorities subscribe to the same milquetoast ideologies the liberals have been pushing hard on Caucasians for the past 50 years. The current double standard sets up a huge basis for future conflict.
QFT. Double standards are bad one way or the other and all reverse racism/reverse preferential treatment does is fight fire with fire. I'd much rather grab a bucket of water.



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24 Apr 2011, 6:05 pm

Oh, and you're not allowed to burn the Quran here, even in your back garden, in private. It got a BNP activist arrested… then the charges were oddly dropped.

It's OK for extremist imams to preach intolerance and hatred though - just fine.



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24 Apr 2011, 7:29 pm

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Oh, and you're not allowed to burn the Quran here, even in your back garden, in private. It got a BNP activist arrested… then the charges were oddly dropped.

It's OK for extremist imams to preach intolerance and hatred though - just fine.


well this is going to change my weekend plans. guess I have to buy some charcoal.
(I was gunna use Korans)


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24 Apr 2011, 7:47 pm

Count_Lustig wrote:
It makes more sense to not have a double standard and either let Whites start having their own set-asides, or to have minorities subscribe to the same milquetoast ideologies the liberals have been pushing hard on Caucasians for the past 50 years. The current double standard sets up a huge basis for future conflict.


What "double standards" are those?


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24 Apr 2011, 8:06 pm

When do you think we will ever have Caucasian History month, or the White-Achievement Club, or the National-Organization-For-The-Advancement-of-Caucasian-Folks?



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24 Apr 2011, 8:11 pm

Bethie wrote:
Count_Lustig wrote:
It makes more sense to not have a double standard and either let Whites start having their own set-asides, or to have minorities subscribe to the same milquetoast ideologies the liberals have been pushing hard on Caucasians for the past 50 years. The current double standard sets up a huge basis for future conflict.


What "double standards" are those?
Affirmative action and hate crime are good examples of em.



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24 Apr 2011, 8:12 pm

Count_Lustig wrote:
When do you think we will ever have Caucasian History month, or the White-Achievement Club, or the National-Organization-For-The-Advancement-of-Caucasian-Folks?


Why would we need those things in majority white countries? Practically all the history taught is Western-centric. If we were a large minority of people in a country of black people who perhaps in the past were oppressive I would consider those things relevant. Caucasian History month isn't a bad idea though, but most history classes celebrate Caucasian history year round. Give it enough time, and the idea of other races being proud will seem a lot less scary as they themselves care less due to their increasing levels of integration.


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When do you think we will ever have Caucasian History month, or the White-Achievement Club, or the National-Organization-For-The-Advancement-of-Caucasian-Folks?


1. there are no caucasian people as a single group with a common history.
2. we do have itailian parades, irish parades, Greek Parades, swiss days, Octoberfests, highland games, robbie burns day, etc.
not many americans come form the actual caucuses so not many festivals based on that.
3. it also turns out that holidays like halloween , xmas, may day, easter etc come from europe.
4 oh there is a NOFACF it is called the KKK.

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1. there are no caucasian people as a single group with a common history.
2. we do have itailian parades, irish parades, Greek Parades, swiss days, Octoberfests, highland games, robbie burns day, etc.
not many americans come form the actual caucuses so not many festivals based on that.
3. it also turns out that holidays like halloween , xmas, may day, easter etc come from europe.


"The Highland Games," Christmas, Parades, etc, are irrelevant when it comes to lobbying, campaigning for set-asides, and coming together as a voting bloc. The NAACP and other such organizations by contrast, have tremendous lobbying power and are accepted in the mainstream.

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4 oh there is a NOFACF it is called the KKK.


This organization has no power, no respectability, has been completely trashed and is not accepted at all in the consensus. It is hardly the idea of a reputable NAAWP. It has Zero credibility even with far-right conservatives.

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Why would we need those things in majority white countries?


Mabye, but the "majority" is supposed to become the minority in a few decades so it might be a good idea to start being proactive. In many places in the USA, Whites are in the minority so in heavily integrated schools and areas, such concepts should be acceptable.

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24 Apr 2011, 8:32 pm

Count_Lustig wrote:
Mabye, but the "majority" is supposed to become the minority in a few decades so it might be a good idea to start being proactive. In many places in the USA, Whites are in the minority so in heavily integrated schools and areas, such concepts should be acceptable.


Well, societies evolve and change. But I am interested in a source on how whites are going to become a minority? Would such a projection take into account that as income gap decreases, so to does the amount of children most people tend to have? There might be a lot of immigrants having children now, but will their children do the same, or will they be more Western in having small family units?

The various European (I prefer that term, as JV pointed out there isn't really one single group of Caucasian people- much as with most other races, but for sake of simplicity we can ignore this for now) festivals/games etc might seem irrelevant when it comes to lobbying, but that is probably more due to the fact that they don't really need to engage in that sort of thing. In the future, if the tables really did turn, and the various Caucasian groups became minorities, such events would become points of pride much as the equivalent African/Asiatic events are, and could eventually evolve to have political power as the need arises. It actually seems logical that they would, as such organizations tend to be created when there is an actual need. Unfortunately, as is the case with most Human endeavors, they are subject to misuse...

When it comes to the whole multi-cultural thing, I'm not really for or against. I'm all for cultural and historical appreciation. There are some groups that probably won't integrate well together initially. One big issue being they [immigrants] don't really leave 'the homeland' now, since its simply a few clicks of the mouse away, so to speak- unlike the immigrants to North America over the past few centuries, who had to adapt to a whole new way of life with little hope of return, and with a society that was callous in disregard for differences. Us modern conservatives, liberals, whatever- we're way too nice, I suppose... :P

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