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28 Apr 2011, 12:50 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Philologos wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, hopefully the rapture will come on May 21st, so we can finally get those fundie a**holes out of our hair.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
If the rapture, what is the betting most rapturoids will stick around?
I was about to tell him no such luck - he'll still have to listen to 144,000 former Jews proclaiming the name of Christ.
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28 Apr 2011, 1:13 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'll phrase it differently - those who see it as an imminent threat are making about as good a public case as PETA. If they're right its a shame that they haven't had the common sense to present it as something that's of so much concern that they're even willing to work with all sides to minimize invasion and find as much win/win territory as possible (yes, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that is happening behind closed doors, just like I know GE and lots of other companies are on the train *but* - in the public sphere its still a very left-leaning thing where the average conservative is far from being a sycophant from the oil companies - ie. they want a cleaner environment but they're believers that the technology will not only sell itself but resolve the problem on its own in the next 50 years).
I'm just curious who 'those' people are? I don't watch any media that involves that. I actually don't watch much media at all. The only place I learn about climate change from is from the data and the scientists, who have made a good public case, that the public seems to not pay any attention to, instead looking at (possibly because of media direction) mostly unaffiliated and unprofessional profiteers.
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'll tell you what - they need to make pronouncements, solutions, things that would seem reasonable to most people regardless of their affiliation. That can be done with basic common sense. If you believe that the outcomes are less than what they're being hyped up to be, we already have green technology just as an efficiency standard and buying preference making its doublings and given more time and a few more decades for green energy firms to improve their process and understand their markets - I don't see where huge government crackdowns on what's at present make sense.
I don't see what is unreasonable about most solutions offered. The problem is people are unwilling to look at it in fairness because the party line and the media tells them not too. Certain regulations are needed, because the current method of industry is more akin to plundering the planet than to exploiting it in a renewable and clean fashion, which would benefit everybody. Later on I expect most of these conservative politicians who are using this as a campaign boost to try and share the spotlight with those who are currently interested in protecting the environment. Give it 10, 15 years, it always happens that way. They don't care an iota about the situation, its just short sighted politics to them.
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
At the same time I have to bring this up, if you are speaking as a believer in global warming but not as an alarmist, we likely are talking about two different things. From what Tequila said, by the tone he brought it with, I took it as 'invasive' 'radical change now' global warming belief. Obviously I don't believe in their cause because reasonable people - the scientists making these claims - would find themselves going to more extreme ends. That's typically what people worry about. Just like in the rare instances where lets say a thread pops up here which happens to be critical of feminism - they're typically not writing about that which exists by its dictionary definition.
I don't much like the term 'Global Warming' as it doesn't reflect the entire Climate Change system. There is warming, but there are other factors involved. It does seem that the most reasonable hypothesis right now is that the current trend in climate change is Anthropogenic in nature, as there is no other major factor that is contributing. As I said earlier, the industry sock puppets like to cherry pick data to try and support their claims that it isn't a unique phenomenon, but they also criticize this data as unscientific. They don't do any of their own research, they have no credibility- you can't use data to support your claims and simultaneously call it unscientific. I keep hearing about radical ecohysterics and yet I am not aware of any of them- it seems that like the industry guys, the denialist camp also cherry picks who they want to listen to. It would be analogous to me basing my entire opinion on the United States on Alex Jones radio show because I read about how crazy he is on the internet somewhere
This is a pretty off-topic discussion
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28 Apr 2011, 1:18 pm
That's it! We'll get peoples attention about climate change by enlisting unprofessional profiteers!
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28 Apr 2011, 9:19 pm
Vigilans wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'll phrase it differently - those who see it as an imminent threat are making about as good a public case as PETA. If they're right its a shame that they haven't had the common sense to present it as something that's of so much concern that they're even willing to work with all sides to minimize invasion and find as much win/win territory as possible (yes, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that is happening behind closed doors, just like I know GE and lots of other companies are on the train *but* - in the public sphere its still a very left-leaning thing where the average conservative is far from being a sycophant from the oil companies - ie. they want a cleaner environment but they're believers that the technology will not only sell itself but resolve the problem on its own in the next 50 years).
I'm just curious who 'those' people are? I don't watch any media that involves that. I actually don't watch much media at all. The only place I learn about climate change from is from the data and the scientists, who have made a good public case, that the public seems to not pay any attention to, instead looking at (possibly because of media direction) mostly unaffiliated and unprofessional profiteers.
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'll tell you what - they need to make pronouncements, solutions, things that would seem reasonable to most people regardless of their affiliation. That can be done with basic common sense. If you believe that the outcomes are less than what they're being hyped up to be, we already have green technology just as an efficiency standard and buying preference making its doublings and given more time and a few more decades for green energy firms to improve their process and understand their markets - I don't see where huge government crackdowns on what's at present make sense.
I don't see what is unreasonable about most solutions offered. The problem is people are unwilling to look at it in fairness because the party line and the media tells them not too. Certain regulations are needed, because the current method of industry is more akin to plundering the planet than to exploiting it in a renewable and clean fashion, which would benefit everybody. Later on I expect most of these conservative politicians who are using this as a campaign boost to try and share the spotlight with those who are currently interested in protecting the environment. Give it 10, 15 years, it always happens that way. They don't care an iota about the situation, its just short sighted politics to them.
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
At the same time I have to bring this up, if you are speaking as a believer in global warming but not as an alarmist, we likely are talking about two different things. From what Tequila said, by the tone he brought it with, I took it as 'invasive' 'radical change now' global warming belief. Obviously I don't believe in their cause because reasonable people - the scientists making these claims - would find themselves going to more extreme ends. That's typically what people worry about. Just like in the rare instances where lets say a thread pops up here which happens to be critical of feminism - they're typically not writing about that which exists by its dictionary definition.
I don't much like the term 'Global Warming' as it doesn't reflect the entire Climate Change system. There is warming, but there are other factors involved. It does seem that the most reasonable hypothesis right now is that the current trend in climate change is Anthropogenic in nature, as there is no other major factor that is contributing. As I said earlier, the industry sock puppets like to cherry pick data to try and support their claims that it isn't a unique phenomenon, but they also criticize this data as unscientific. They don't do any of their own research, they have no credibility- you can't use data to support your claims and simultaneously call it unscientific. I keep hearing about radical ecohysterics and yet I am not aware of any of them- it seems that like the industry guys, the denialist camp also cherry picks who they want to listen to. It would be analogous to me basing my entire opinion on the United States on Alex Jones radio show because I read about how crazy he is on the internet somewhere
This is a pretty off-topic discussion
No worries on the off-topic bit. My own belief, unless you're pulling a thread completely off course within the first day its perhaps not good, first page is pretty bad, first response outright disrespectful, the alternative though - if its already five or six pages deep is just bight your tongue and don't share your thoughts for fear of going off point, and hence the thread dies prematurely.
My take admittedly on 'movement' ecology is admittedly different from people just following the science and news. I think for a good example of hysterics - Al Gore comes to mind. The stuff that teachers are pushing on kids also comes to mind as its of a similar tenor. I'm for educating people on ecology, against weaving it into leftism.
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28 Apr 2011, 9:21 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Philologos wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, hopefully the rapture will come on May 21st, so we can finally get those fundie a**holes out of our hair.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
If the rapture, what is the betting most rapturoids will stick around?
I was about to tell him no such luck - he'll still have to listen to 144,000 former Jews proclaiming the name of Christ.
! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Lol, if we're going to take the rapture, hypothetically, as a reasonable possibility then we kind of need to take the rest of revelations in as well. Otherwise you could luck out and have a rapture without the 144,000...... or you could have no rapture and 144,000 stirring up those who should have been raptured even further.
28 Apr 2011, 9:37 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
first response outright disrespectful
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said anything disrespectful
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'm for educating people on ecology, against weaving it into leftism.
I as well. The ecology of the planet does not belong to any ideology, does not care about election promises. We're part of that ecology, in truth. I view us as stewards of the planet. We have a responsibility to take care of it, for our own benefit, and for the benefit of the planet itself
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28 Apr 2011, 10:11 pm
Vigilans wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
first response outright disrespectful
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said anything disrespectful
(looks at page one of thread...)
As far as I see the first response was from Leejosepho and was about the original topic so - at least the first response in this threat wasn't disrespectful. If another thread starts up about religion or politics and, as the first responder, you hypothetically decide to vault a 5,000 world monologue about the history of windmills - then that might apply to you.
What I was getting at - we're fine where we're at being slightly tangent of topic.
28 Apr 2011, 10:27 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
first response outright disrespectful
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I said anything disrespectful
(looks at page one of thread...)
As far as I see the first response was from Leejosepho and was about the original topic so - at least the first response in this threat wasn't disrespectful. If another thread starts up about religion or politics and, as the first responder, you hypothetically decide to vault a 5,000 world monologue about the history of windmills - then that might apply to you.
What I was getting at - we're fine where we're at being slightly tangent of topic.
Oh okay. My apologies I wasn't sure if you meant I had said something disrespectful, all I said on page 1 was something about the Left Behind series. Most threads here seem to go off topic after a bit anyways, I guess
28 Apr 2011, 11:09 pm
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29 Apr 2011, 1:49 am
Subotai wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, hopefully the rapture will come on May 21st, so we can finally get those fundie a**holes out of our hair.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Has everyone got their rapture kool-aid?
We call it 'Rapture-Aid™'
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