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Kraichgauer
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26 May 2011, 2:14 pm
ruveyn wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
I think he is quoting someone -someone stupid- his posts read like bad homeschooling manuals
for xtians that don't want their kids to go to public schools with the "coloreds".
btw there is Judeo-Xtiany is a fiction that Jews and Xtians use so we can pretend the others doctrines
don't make us giggle.
replacement theology is offensive.
Xtians are not the new Jews they are minim
And they are embarrassed by the existence of real Jews
Why is it so many gentiles who hate real Jews want to be the New Jews?
Sorry Gentiles. There can only be one Chose People and it ain't You.
ruveyn
Trust me, I have no interest in being any sort of "chosen people," as I don't believe that designation has any meaning anymore since Christ's first visit to the planet. While my maternal grandmother's family name of Abramovske is suspiciously Jewish sounding, I hardly see myself as any sort of Semite (if that is indeed the case). Rather, I'm having too much fun being of the tribe that successfully resisted imperial Rome, then remade Europe after the empire collapsed in on itself in the west.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
26 May 2011, 2:19 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Rather, I'm having too much fun being of the tribe that successfully resisted imperial Rome, then remade Europe after the empire collapsed in on itself in the west.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
Curious that you wish to take pride in a collective achievement of your ancestors and relatives, and yet distance yourself from the bad things that those same kindred did. If there is collective credit for good things, it stands to reason that there must also be collective guilt for bad things. Alternately, if we bear no collective guilt for the faults of others, then we likewise can take no collective credit for their merits.
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26 May 2011, 2:30 pm
Orwell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Rather, I'm having too much fun being of the tribe that successfully resisted imperial Rome, then remade Europe after the empire collapsed in on itself in the west.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
Curious that you wish to take pride in a collective achievement of your ancestors and relatives, and yet distance yourself from the bad things that those same kindred did. If there is collective credit for good things, it stands to reason that there must also be collective guilt for bad things. Alternately, if we bear no collective guilt for the faults of others, then we likewise can take no collective credit for their merits.
Disapproving of certain actions, and feeling guilt for them are two different things. For instance, as an American I disapprove of America's history of racism, but I don't feel guilt for it as I had no part in perpetrating it. So, I do very much disapprove of wrongs committed by my German nationality, but guilt doesn't come into the picture as none of it was my personal doing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
26 May 2011, 2:31 pm
Orwell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Rather, I'm having too much fun being of the tribe that successfully resisted imperial Rome, then remade Europe after the empire collapsed in on itself in the west.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
Curious that you wish to take pride in a collective achievement of your ancestors and relatives, and yet distance yourself from the bad things that those same kindred did. If there is collective credit for good things, it stands to reason that there must also be collective guilt for bad things. Alternately, if we bear no collective guilt for the faults of others, then we likewise can take no collective credit for their merits.
Wow, can't believe you said something I agree with.
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26 May 2011, 2:42 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Rather, I'm having too much fun being of the tribe that successfully resisted imperial Rome, then remade Europe after the empire collapsed in on itself in the west.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
Curious that you wish to take pride in a collective achievement of your ancestors and relatives, and yet distance yourself from the bad things that those same kindred did. If there is collective credit for good things, it stands to reason that there must also be collective guilt for bad things. Alternately, if we bear no collective guilt for the faults of others, then we likewise can take no collective credit for their merits.
Wow, can't believe you said something I agree with.
Thank you - - I think.
I'm kidding!
Yes, but thank you.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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26 May 2011, 2:42 pm
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26 May 2011, 2:47 pm
Orwell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Disapproving of certain actions, and feeling guilt for them are two different things. For instance, as an American I disapprove of America's history of racism, but I don't feel guilt for it as I had no part in perpetrating it. So, I do very much disapprove of wrongs committed by my German nationality, but guilt doesn't come into the picture as none of it was my personal doing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I agree with you here, there is absolutely no reason for you to feel guilt for anything you did not do. I am only stating that it makes as little sense to feel pride for what someone else of your nationality did, as it does to feel guilt for something they did. The great cultural and scientific achievements of the German nation were no more your personal doing than was the Holocaust. Likewise, the cultural achievements of my Scottish ancestors weren't my doing, any more than I took part in Calvinist witch burnings.
While I do have pride in my roots, I was also writing at least in part tongue-in-cheek.
By the way, there's no harm in Scottish pride - William Wallace and all that. At least the Scots didn't kill that many people.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
26 May 2011, 4:02 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
There is no reason whatever for you to feel guilty or responsible. You had nothing to do with it.
ruveyn
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26 May 2011, 4:55 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
There is no reason whatever for you to feel guilty or responsible. You had nothing to do with it.
ruveyn
Thank you. I must apologize for misjudging for your pronouncements in the past.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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26 May 2011, 4:57 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Rather, I'm having too much fun being of the tribe that successfully resisted imperial Rome, then remade Europe after the empire collapsed in on itself in the west.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
And no ruveyn, I don't feel guilt and shame over the holocaust, as I didn't have any role in it, nor would I have had I been living in Nazi Germany.
Curious that you wish to take pride in a collective achievement of your ancestors and relatives, and yet distance yourself from the bad things that those same kindred did. If there is collective credit for good things, it stands to reason that there must also be collective guilt for bad things. Alternately, if we bear no collective guilt for the faults of others, then we likewise can take no collective credit for their merits.
Wow, can't believe you said something I agree with.
Thank you - - I think.
I'm kidding!
Yes, but thank you.-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Dang it, I was trying to say something smart assed, and it just came out garbled.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
