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01 Jul 2011, 3:07 pm

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I am not quite sure what you mean by that.

The everyday garden variety stupid voter and stupid non-voter. The Great Unwashed Public. It takes wide spread consent to produce the political abortions we live under in the democracies.

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Yes that is true.

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04 Jul 2011, 6:02 am

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... 343.column

Cut costs and outsource to an American firm and you still become evil reincarnate. Some day all Americans will realize that it was the unions that hollowed out the country with their never ending demands for a more luxuriant life. It is only Americans who do not know that what constitutes for "middle-class" in America would be unattainable luxury elsewhere in most parts of the world.

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04 Jul 2011, 12:37 pm

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110703,0,1163343.column

Cut costs and outsource to an American firm and you still become evil reincarnate. Some day all Americans will realize that it was the unions that hollowed out the country with their never ending demands for a more luxuriant life. It is only Americans who do not know that what constitutes for "middle-class" in America would be unattainable luxury elsewhere in most parts of the world.

I really do not think the unions alone are to blame for the current state of the economy, maybe some of those people high up in the corporate world have something to do with it as well......Oh and the fact this system was doomed to fail just like everything else has failed in the past.

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04 Jul 2011, 12:44 pm

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I don't know. Maybe mass suffering on a large scale will be the end of the blight of social darwinism and "rugged individualism" :roll:

so prevelent among the McMansion living middle classes. Idiots don't realize how spoiled we are. I long for the time when families actually had to work together as a community.

Are you advocating enforced association?

If a person wants to cut himself off from the community he is free to do so and there is no legal impediment to doing so. As long as he/she does not violate the law, all is well.

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If you want to go native and prowl through the woods wearing fig leaves and eating berries, be my guest. The thing is when s**t hits the fan people living in a civilized society are forced to work together as a community. When a river threatens to overtake an entire town, everyone gets busy laying sand bags. Any able bodied person who lives in the flood zone yet refuses to contribute is an incredible prick who deserves to have his house bulldozed to the ground. f**k the selfish f***s.

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04 Jul 2011, 1:44 pm

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If you want to go native and prowl through the woods wearing fig leaves and eating berries, be my guest. The thing is when sh** hits the fan people living in a civilized society are forced to work together as a community. When a river threatens to overtake an entire town, everyone gets busy laying sand bags. Any able bodied person who lives in the flood zone yet refuses to contribute is an incredible prick who deserves to have his house bulldozed to the ground. f**k the selfish f****.

If both your kid and a neighbor's kid were both drowning and you could only save one, which child would you save? Ah... I thought so. So don't tell me about selfish. It is hypocritical.

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04 Jul 2011, 2:03 pm

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If both your kid and a neighbor's kid were both drowning and you could only save one, which child would you save? Ah... I thought so. So don't tell me about selfish. It is hypocritical.

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Non-rebuttal. Sorry, please try again.

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04 Jul 2011, 2:05 pm

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The AK-47 packs quite a punch. There are many other weapons that have longer range and accuracy, but most of them, especially the American designed ones, require a lot of maintenance to keep them in good working order. AK-47s have been proven to withstand an incredible amount of abuse so it is something that you can buy and forget until such time when you might need it. You cannot really hide or disguise an AK-47 so the gun is not very popular with the gangster crowd and since it is not as powerful as say the M16 the drug cartels tend to also give it a miss. You might say that ownership of an AK-47 is legitimate in this sense.

What? I don't know where you heard that from, but both AK's and M16's are popular choices for rifles among gang bangers. But yeah rifles aren't as concealable or accessible (it's quicker to pull a pistol out from your hip than it is to run to the trunk of your car) so pistols and revolvers are the norm If I needed 7.62x39mm though I can just get an AR-15 upper that fires the cartridge.

I'll take the AR-15's lightweight, DI system, in line stock, moddability, and accuracy over the reliability of the AK-47 any day. .223 is good enough for me as long as I have a barrel that is at least 18 inches long and they're in hollow points. I think a lot of people underestimate the reliability of the AR-15 because its reputation from Vietnam still hasn't died down.

But anyways, I'd still take a TAR-21 over both of em along with an M14 for big game and more firepower where it is needed.

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04 Jul 2011, 2:15 pm

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But anyways, I'd still take a TAR-21 over both of em along with an M14 for big game and more firepower where it is needed.

I don't know much about guns but I was under the impression that all legal civilian rifles are only semi-automatic. If you can't use automatic bursts or continuous suppressive fire, then might as well go with something that has a more powerful and accurate single shot.

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04 Jul 2011, 2:54 pm

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But anyways, I'd still take a TAR-21 over both of em along with an M14 for big game and more firepower where it is needed.

Well the .223 is good enough for me when it comes to stopping power. Hollow points and a barrel that is at least 18 inches long will ensure that it has enough velocity to fragment at longer ranges. The main reason I prefer a TAR-21 is because its bullpup design allows it to have an 18 inch barrel and a shorter overall length so it has the high velocity as well as the compactness. It is ergonomic, well balanced in terms of weight distribution, lightweight, reliable and accurate so it kicks the asses of both AKs and AR-15s imo since it has the best of both worlds plus the bullpup design which has been implemented excellently.

I'm just not too fond of the 7.62x39mm since it has neither high power nor high velocity. So if I want to go for something more powerful, I would much rather go balls deep and get a .308. Also, suppressing fire can still be done with semi auto. It doesn't cover an area as quickly, but I am most likely gonna lay down suppressing fire towards an area that isn't too covered or concealed so I think semi-auto would be good enough. I know a dude who has been to Afghanistan and semi auto is also used there for suppressing fire.

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04 Jul 2011, 3:52 pm

Oh dear, another game of soggy biscuit over firearms... :roll: what exactly has it to do with PPR?

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04 Jul 2011, 4:29 pm

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Oh dear, another game of soggy biscuit over firearms... :roll:

what exactly has it to do with PPR?

peace j

I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet with all the flame baiting you've brought into PPR.

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04 Jul 2011, 4:39 pm

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RedHanrahan wrote:

Oh dear, another game of soggy biscuit over firearms... :roll:

what exactly has it to do with PPR?

peace j

I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet with all the flame baiting you've brought into PPR.

'Flame baiting' = opinion I can't tolerate or repudiate... Feel free to take it to the moderators but remember it every time you join in a little dumping session on others and your questionable 'location' surely the implied 'anal rape' is inappropriate as an attachment to all your posts outside of the adults forum?

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04 Jul 2011, 4:56 pm

RedHanrahan wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

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Oh dear, another game of soggy biscuit over firearms... :roll:

what exactly has it to do with PPR?

peace j

I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet with all the flame baiting you've brought into PPR.

'Flame baiting' = opinion I can't tolerate or repudiate

Have you added anything relevant to the discussion of guns with your two cents? Nope you just bash people for doing so for no other purpose than to provoke a reaction which makes it flame baiting.

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... Feel free to take it to the moderators but remember it every time you join in a little dumping session on others and your questionable 'location' surely the implied 'anal rape' is inappropriate as an attachment to all your posts outside of the adults forum?

"Behind you waiting for the soap to drop" leaves enough room for the imagination to keep the kids guessing lulz.

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04 Jul 2011, 4:59 pm

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For someone who keeps saying his opinion is being suppressed or attacked, you sure have a habit of telling people what they can or cannot talk about, or what they can participate in throughout the PPR.

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04 Jul 2011, 5:04 pm

I never said what people can or can not do I merely questioned the validity of a little chat about the effectiveness or usefullness of certain firearms over other certain firearms in regards to discussion of Philosophy, Politics or Religion :roll:

Like I said take it to the mods but given various track records around here and the various precedents set I don't think they will care.

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04 Jul 2011, 5:07 pm

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I never said what people can or can not do I merely questioned the validity of a little chat about the effectiveness or usefullness of certain firearms over other certain firearms in regards to discussion of Philosophy, Politics or Religion :roll:

Like I said take it to the mods but given various track records around here and the various precedents set I don't think they will care.

peace j

You told me at least twice that I was a child and should not participate in a thread. This is just by personal experience, who knows who else you did it to.

And the moderators will listen to people who bring complaints forward regardless of who they come from. That is their job after all.

Actually, you brought up something interesting: what is my track record, by the way? I mean, why won't the moderators care if I bring forward a complaint? If this can actually happen of course.

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