Was G. Soros responsible for financial collapse in Thailand?
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I'm sorry sweetheart the big folks are talking about George Soros and thailand.
why don't you waddle off downstairs make yourself a bowl of cereal and watch
the funny men on fox news. Kay baby.
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
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When Sweetie returns, here is a somewhat simplified version (intended as a service to schoolchildren learning English) of the events in Thailand, from the Bangkok Post.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/education/si ... fb0901.htm
Friday, February 9, 2001
INTRODUCTION
Angry at George
One of the big news stories in Thailand last week was the proposed visit of the billionaire investment manager George Soros. Many Thai people were angry that he was coming because they blame Mr Soros and other foreign investors for causing the 1997 fall of the Thai baht and the economic collapse that followed.
The protests against Mr Soros caused quite a bit of comment in the Bangkok Post. You will read what one of our readers had to say in this lesson. Of course, in the end, Mr Soros called off his visit and this week things are back to normal.
Much of the anger against Mr Soros was simply emotion. Few people really understand what happened in and before 1997. They don't know if Mr Soros was really involved, nor do they understand what he is accused of doing. After you finish this lesson, you will be able to tell them.
Some basics
The Thai baht is a commodity, much like rice, sugar and oil. Its value is based largely on supply and demand. If people throughout the world are buying more goods and services from Thailand than Thais are buying from the rest of the world, the baht's value should rise.
However, for the ten years prior to 1997, Thais were spending more on foreign goods and services than they were earning from their own goods and services. Thus, the baht's value should have fallen. But it didn't. Why not? Read on:
The makings of a crisis
One reason the baht's value didn't fall before 1997 was that Thai businesses were borrowing a lot of foreign money. Another reason was that the Thai central bank was keeping the baht's value at about 25 baht per one US dollar.
For a long time, it did this by keeping Thai interest rates higher than in many other parts of the world. This attracted foreign money.
As the crisis approached, however, the central bank was forced to try a different approach. It started selling US dollars from its own reserves to buy baht.
As the situation worsened, many people believed that the central bank would soon run out of money to support the baht. The bank remained firm, however, knowing that letting the baht fall in value would ruin many local businesses with foreign loans.
Why? Suppose a Thai business had a one million dollar loan from a foreign bank. At 25 baht to the dollar, it would have to repay 25 million baht plus interest. If the baht fell to 30 to the dollar, however, it would have to repay 30 million baht plus interest.
Unfortunately, by mid-1997 so many worried investors were selling baht to buy dollars that the central bank was unable to spend enough money to support it and on July 2nd, the baht's value was allowed to fall.
Let's speculate
Some Thai people believe that many of the people who were selling baht for dollars were speculators who wanted the baht to fall so they could earn large profits. The most powerful and successful of these speculators, they believe, was George Soros.
Actually, you too could have been a speculator at that time. Here's an example of how you could have earned a handsome profit.
First suppose you had gone to a bank and borrowed 25 million baht to be repaid in three months. (To make this easier, let's forget about the interest and fees you would have to pay.)
Next you sold the 25 million baht for one million dollars.
Now suppose that the baht fell in value to 30 to the dollar. How many baht would you get if you sold your one million dollars? Since you needed to repay only 25 million baht, how many baht would you have left over.
Now suppose, as actually happened, the baht fell to 45 baht? How many baht would you have left over after you repaid your loan?
Certainly a lot of such speculation did take place before the fall of the baht. George Soros may even have been involved although there is no clear proof. But is this an evil practice like some Thai people believe? And who deserves most of the blame for the fall of the baht, the speculators or the government officials who allowed the Thai economy to get so badly out of balance?
One of our readers wrote a letter to Postbag giving his opinion about who is to blame for the economic crisis. But he did it in the form of an allegory, a story in which the characters and events are symbols intended to teach a lesson of some kind. As you read the letter, consider the following questions:
Who are Captain C and the members of his crew?
Who is Pirate George?
What is the storm mentioned in the story?
Who is Captain T?
What is the point of the letter?
There was once a fine trading ship which became rich trading across the seven seas. The passengers elected Captain C and his crew, who promised to maintain the ship, sail a safe passage in case of a storm, and make the passengers rich from trade.
Everyone knew that there were sharks in the sea, as well as a famous pirate called George who specialised in plundering shipwrecks. Pirate George had informers in every port. George always got to know which ships were seaworthy, which carried gold, and which captains were prepared for a storm. The sharks followed pirate George because they knew that he would lead them to the shipwrecks.
For years, the seas were calm and the winds were fair. The ship traded well and carried a lot of gold.
Captain C and his crew had never experienced a storm. Every time the captain and his crew put into port, they took with them a few bars of gold, and promised they would spend the money on the ship's maintenance, as well as lifeboats for the passengers.
In fact, over the years, they kept most of this money for themselves; the passengers knew this because they saw Captain C and his crew spending their gold carousing in port.
It was obvious to everyone that most of the lifeboats were rotten, that the rudder was rusty, and the ropes were wearing thin. However, the passengers were too busy trading and eating well to bother about Captain C and his crew. Why worry about a few gold bars when there was so much to spare?
One day, the ship was planning a long voyage and the talk in all the ship was about the coming storm. Captain C and his crew were carousing as usual, so they did not study the weather conditions.
The outcome of the story is predictable but sad. The ship set sail, closely followed by Pirate George and the sharks that swam with his ship. Our ship ran into the storm, its rudder broke, and masts snapped. Captain C and his crew had a hangover from their carousing, and did not know what to do.
They were terrified of Pirate George, so they took the only lifeboat, filled it with gold and saved themselves, not before telling the passengers that Pirate George was to blame for their misery. The ship ran against the rocks, and many passengers drowned. Pirate George was soon on the scene to plunder what gold remained, and the sharks had a feast.
Two years later, the ship was repaired and ready to set sail with a new captain, Captain T, most of the old passengers, and a lot less gold. Captain T promised that everything would be like the old times; Pirate George and the sharks were still around, but had not been seen for some time, and the seas looked calm.
What became of Captain C and his crew, you may ask. Was he hanged by the passengers? Was he banished to a desert island with his crew? No, he was elected by the passengers and Captain T to be second in command on the next voyage.
Can you guess what happens next? Who is the real villain? Who is the real sucker? Who do you think deserves a cream pie: a) Pirate George, b) the sharks, c) Captain C, d) Captain T, or e) the passengers?
Some of you like parables, don't you?
I'm sorry sweetheart the big folks are talking about George Soros and thailand.
why don't you waddle off downstairs make yourself a bowl of cereal and watch
the funny men on fox news. Kay baby.
I was pointing out you are full of it, quite frankly I don't see any point in addressing what you are pandabear say at this point because trying to have a reasonable discussion with you two is like beating one's head against a brick wall. After being compared to Adolf Hitler and being called an anti-semite by the two of you, I can see there is no chance of having a reasonable debate with either of you. Oh I will continue to respond to stuff, but I generally have no respect for either of you and at this point even if you apologize to me, at this point I wouldn't believe a word you said.
I'm sorry sweetheart the big folks are talking about George Soros and thailand.
why don't you waddle off downstairs make yourself a bowl of cereal and watch
the funny men on fox news. Kay baby.
I was pointing out you are full of it, quite frankly I don't see any point in addressing what you are pandabear say at this point because trying to have a reasonable discussion with you two is like beating one's head against a brick wall. After being compared to Adolf Hitler and being called an anti-semite by the two of you, I can see there is no chance of having a reasonable debate with either of you. Oh I will continue to respond to stuff, but I generally have no respect for either of you and at this point even if you apologize to me, at this point I wouldn't believe a word you said.
Your respect is near worthless when you bestow it on Jew Baiters (Beck) and Racists (Limbaugh).
I would be loathe to be included on you list of your respected people.
Ok big fella shuffle off.
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/
Last edited by JakobVirgil on 20 Jun 2011, 5:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I'm saying given you smear attempts towards me in the past week, you quite frankly have no business even trying to pretend to be a judge. If I were the prosecution I would have appointed an investigation as to your relationship with the defense, and given your slanderous remarks outside of "court" you would also have been facing a lawsuit, which would prove a further conflict of interest.
Now if marshall wants to bring up counterarguments or debate me fine, but you and JakobVirgil in my opinion (you especially) crossed the line royally when you compared me to Adolf Hitler at least twice. I won't let this matter go, especially since you did it more than once and I had reported you more than once.

I'm saying given you smear attempts towards me in the past week, you quite frankly have no business even trying to pretend to be a judge. If I were the prosecution I would have appointed an investigation as to your relationship with the defense, and given your slanderous remarks outside of "court" you would also have been facing a lawsuit, which would prove a further conflict of interest.
Now if marshall wants to bring up counterarguments or debate me fine, but you and JakobVirgil in my opinion (you especially) crossed the line royally when you compared me to Adolf Hitler at least twice. I won't let this matter go, especially since you did it more than once and I had reported you more than once.
Well Quoting Jew baiters and I will stop calling you one.
8/9 bad guys are Jews? 1 in 50 americans are jewish. What is the chance of that.
Do the math (5pts for the correct answer) Beck stinks of ZOG fantasists .
Calling Soros a Puppet Master is the final Nazi candle on his Nazi cake.
So go crying to the moderators I defend your right to be a nazi
but I will not give up my right to call you out on it.
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/

I'm saying given you smear attempts towards me in the past week, you quite frankly have no business even trying to pretend to be a judge. If I were the prosecution I would have appointed an investigation as to your relationship with the defense, and given your slanderous remarks outside of "court" you would also have been facing a lawsuit, which would prove a further conflict of interest.
Now if marshall wants to bring up counterarguments or debate me fine, but you and JakobVirgil in my opinion (you especially) crossed the line royally when you compared me to Adolf Hitler at least twice. I won't let this matter go, especially since you did it more than once and I had reported you more than once.
Well Quoting Jew baiters and I will stop calling you one.
8/9 bad guys are Jews? 1 in 50 americans are jewish. What is the chance of that.
Do the math (5pts for the correct answer) Beck stinks of ZOG fantasists .
Calling Soros a Puppet Master is the final Nazi candle on his Nazi cake.
So go crying to the moderators I defend your right to be a nazi
but I will not give up my right to call you out on it.

Seriously, this is why I have absolutely no respect for you. You can't counter what Glenn Beck says based on facts so you have to spew lie after lie after lie, you call him an anti-semite; then you call anyone whom points out you are wrong an anti-semite. As much as you may think that I hate you, I really don't, I feel sorry for you, that you have been brainwashed to believe everyone that doesn't follow lockstop with the liberal platform is somehow stupid or evil. The truth is I'm not an anti-semite, Glenn Beck is not an anti-semite; that was just a lie concocted by individuals whom Beck has gotten under their skin. Soros is a very troubled individual putting it mildy, this has nothing to do with the Jewish faith.
Should I blame every liberal for the actions of Bill Ayers, no and quite frankly I don't.
Glenn Beck is going after George Soros, because of George Soros' actions, Soros could be Catholic, Mormon, Atheist, Budhist, etc. and Glenn would still be just as critical of the man because of what Soros has done, not because of religion.
In short your accusations that people accusing Soros of wrecking economies being anti-semites is way out of line and extremely dishonest putting it mildly.
The first article posted by pandabear (the one from the www.bankokpost.com) explains what I was arguing better than I could explain it. I find the idea of profiting off misfortune distasteful but there is no proof that Soros did anything illegal or was involved in orchestrating anything. It's as I said. The preconditions for the devaluation of the baht were created by poor policy on the part of the Thia banks and other economic factors.

I'm saying given you smear attempts towards me in the past week, you quite frankly have no business even trying to pretend to be a judge. If I were the prosecution I would have appointed an investigation as to your relationship with the defense, and given your slanderous remarks outside of "court" you would also have been facing a lawsuit, which would prove a further conflict of interest.
Now if marshall wants to bring up counterarguments or debate me fine, but you and JakobVirgil in my opinion (you especially) crossed the line royally when you compared me to Adolf Hitler at least twice. I won't let this matter go, especially since you did it more than once and I had reported you more than once.
Well Quoting Jew baiters and I will stop calling you one.
8/9 bad guys are Jews? 1 in 50 americans are jewish. What is the chance of that.
Do the math (5pts for the correct answer) Beck stinks of ZOG fantasists .
Calling Soros a Puppet Master is the final Nazi candle on his Nazi cake.
So go crying to the moderators I defend your right to be a nazi
but I will not give up my right to call you out on it.

Seriously, this is why I have absolutely no respect for you. You can't counter what Glenn Beck says based on facts so you have to spew lie after lie after lie, you call him an anti-semite; then you call anyone whom points out you are wrong an anti-semite. As much as you may think that I hate you, I really don't, I feel sorry for you, that you have been brainwashed to believe everyone that doesn't follow lockstop with the liberal platform is somehow stupid or evil. The truth is I'm not an anti-semite, Glenn Beck is not an anti-semite; that was just a lie concocted by individuals whom Beck has gotten under their skin. Soros is a very troubled individual putting it mildy, this has nothing to do with the Jewish faith.
Should I blame every liberal for the actions of Bill Ayers, no and quite frankly I don't.
Glenn Beck is going after George Soros, because of George Soros' actions, Soros could be Catholic, Mormon, Atheist, Budhist, etc. and Glenn would still be just as critical of the man because of what Soros has done, not because of religion.
In short your accusations that people accusing Soros of wrecking economies being anti-semites is way out of line and extremely dishonest putting it mildly.
You are the liar so I will trust your opinion on dishonesty as an inside one.
Being against Soros is not the problem little dolfie calling him a Puppetmaster is.
it is an antisemitic codeword Beck is telegraphing that he believes in Jewish conspiracy.
But a guess a Guy with a vocational degree would not be able to understand.
-Curly
_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/
Hey Abbot!!
"But a guess a Guy with a vocational degree would not be able to understand.
-Curly" - so say you?
Hey, mon, I got 2/3 of the way to a vocational degree before I dropped out [the U decided to reverse my "non-retention" after all]. Don't knock us guys from the tech college.
That is even before I call in my brother who taught for an electronic vocational school for years, or Number 1 Son who - having looked long and hard at the structure of my Alma Mater and former employer, opted for a vocational certificate in his field.
The court finds the defendant, Mr. George Soros, not guilty of having caused Thailand to collapse financially.
Believe me, I would have loved to have found the defendant guilty, so that I could have levied a substantial fine. I'm just as greedy and corrupt as any judge in America.
If this were the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, or any court in Nazi Germany for that matter, then the defendant would have been found automatically guilty, sent to the gallows, and all of his properties forfeit. Plus, the antics of the prosecution would have been not only tolerated, but encouraged.
The evidence submitted against the defendant is so flimsy that, were I to find the defendant guilty, then the elite drive-by liberal media would be all over me. Not only would my verdict be overturned on appeal, but Bob Dylan and Billy Bragg would both write devastating folk songs about me, and I would become a laughing stock among my peers.
The lead attorney for the prosecution is found guilty of using the present proceedings to disseminate inane anti-Semitic propaganda, and is ordered to complete 40 hours of community service, at a charitable organization that is funded by George Soros.
Commieblaster.com provides the following list of organizations funded by Mr. Soros:
After Prison Initiative
AFSCME
Alliance for Justice
America Coming Together
American Arab Anti-Discrimination Research Institute
American Constitution Society for Law and Policy
American Friends Service Committee
American Immigration Law Foundation
American Prospect
Amnesty International
Brennan Center for Justice
Campaign for America's Future
Campus Progress
Catholics for Choice
Catholics for a Free Choice
Center for Law and Social Policy
Children's Defense Fund
Center for American Progress (John Podesta)
Center for Community Change
Center for Constitutional Rights
Center for Investigative Reporting
Center for Policy Alternatives
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Coalition for an International Criminal Court
Community Rights Counsel
Critical Resistance - Beyond the Prison Industrial Complex
Death Penalty Information Center
Death Penalty Mobilization Fund
Death with Dignity National Center
Democracy 21
Democracy Alliance
Democracy Now!
DEMOS
Drug Policy Alliance
Economic Policy Institute
Earth Charter
Equal Justice Works
Esperanza Center
Feminist Majority
Fenton Communications
Ford Foundation
Free Exchange on Campus
Gay Straight Alliance Network
Gun Violence Prevention
Harlem Children’s Zone
Huffington Post
Human Rights First
Human Rights Watch
Immigrant Funders' Collaborative
Institute for Policy Studies
Immigrant Legal Resource Center
Independent Media Institute
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission
International Human Rights Funders Group
Jews for Racial and Economic Justice
John Edwards
Joint Victory Campaign 2004
Legal Action Center
Legal Defense and Educational Fund
Lindesmith Center
Lynne Stewart Defense Committee
MADRE
Malcolm X Grassroots Movement
Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund
Midwest Academy
Million Mom March
Mother Jones Magazine
Moving Ideas Network
Ms. Foundation for Women
Murder Victims' Families for Reconciliation
NARAL Pro-Choice America
Nation Institute
National Council of La Raza
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
National Lawyers Guild
National Organization for Women
National Immigration Law Center
National Immigration Forum
National Public Radio (NPR)
National Security Archive Fund
Network for a Progressive Texas
Network on Small Arms
No Peace Without Justice International Committee
Open Society Institute
Pacifica Foundation
Peace and Security Funders Group
People for the American Way
People of Color In Crisis
Physicians for Human Rights
Population Services International
Project On Death in America
Project Syndicate
Prison Moratorium Project
Proteus Fund
Public Citizen Foundation
Reform Institute
Rocky Mountain Peace Center
Sentencing Project
Social Investment Fund Network
Southern Center for Human Rights
State Strategies Fund
Tides Center
Tides Foundation
United Nations Millennium Development Project
Urban Institute
U.S. Justice Fund
Violence Policy Center
We Interrupt This Message
Western States Center
Youth Law Center
The court orders the lead attorney for the prosecution to complete the 40 hours of community service by no later than noon on June 23, 2011.
Believe me, I would have loved to have found the defendant guilty, so that I could have levied a substantial fine. I'm just as greedy and corrupt as any judge in America.
I could care less what you say, if this were a court you wouldn't have been the Judge, in fact you would (if you had any ethical standards) had been forced to recuse yourself.
I suspect that the phrase you are looking for "I couldn't care less what you say"
I'm sure that no other court in the world, other than possibly the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia or any court in Nazi Germany, would have arrived at a different decision in this case. Notwithstanding, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits double jeopardy "...nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb..." This case is closed. You may, if you wish, prosecute Mr. Soros for a different crime.
If I had any ethical standards, then who would have forced me to recuse myself?
Now, get started with your community service, lest I double or treble your sentence.