What makes one a Muslim?
05 Jul 2011, 9:06 pm
Now I already posted the link to this website in response to someone else, but this time I'll post the same link directly to everyone on this discussion as a whole. If you do not know a lot about Islam then go this reliable website:
http://sultan.org/
This is one of the most credible Islamic websites because even a Non Muslim who has never heard of Islam before can go on it
06 Jul 2011, 12:40 am
salad wrote:
Icyclan wrote:
salad wrote:
Disgusting ignorance coming from the mouth of bigots who should know from their past years of being stereotyped that you shouldn't judge a group by a couple of individuals. Man, whatever happened to aspies saying they hate it when people call them ret*ds even though almost every Aspie i have ever met was a loner who would throw a tantrum in public places, fidget, stim and have weird quirks yet I dont stereotype you all as being mentally ret*d, heck I barely stereotype any. You people who claim my religion is a barbaric uncivilized religion just because you hear that on the news are the same people who say "stop judging us just because people portray us as being mentally ret*d" while your ignorant enough to post hateful comments about my religion. You people who are posting these hateful comments should be more intellectual than that, if that's what you tell NT's who judge you even though they barely even got to know you. Why not instead of being like the so called "overly socialized NT who isn't intelligent" you try being the opposite - the so called "intelligent aspie who is open minded and reflects and thinks". To put it in simpler words, why not you quote to me a verse from my Quran that proves that Islam is the barbaric evil religion that you rant on about. After all, wouldn't the so called "highly intelligent aspie" be able to use constructive criticism in a religious debate? thats what im wondering. you people who bash my religion are the exact opposite of the aspies ive met who were open minded and intelligent. the reason im bringer aspergers into this discussion is because I believed that people who can relate to the pain of being stereotyped and judged just because of propaganda should move past ignorance, not follow it. And I hope you all know that Aspergers is equally misrepresented as Islam so I would be careful if I were you when opening my mouth and saying hateful things about a religion when similar things can be said about Aspergers by those who were brainwashed with ignorant propaganda. Getting back to the point either quote the verse of my holy book where Islam orders even the tiniest uncivilized act or don't post another hateful thing about Islam, because going to court without evidence will only get you thrown out in seconds (btw sorry for my rudeness its just that being stereotyped for a religion that's extremely misrepresented is frustrating)
I won't quote all the hate speech in the Qur'an because I think this forum has a one million character limit per post. So here's the link:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Quran.htm
Get over your false indignation. As long as your little terrorist manual considers us kafirs third class citizens and fuel to the hellfire, you're not exactly in a position to feel offended. Only with Islam can you point out its discriminatory teachings and cause its followers to foam at their mouths in rage for daring to 'attack' their cult. Not even the KKK is that bad.
1st of all, I'm glad that you have at least some evidence to support your false allegations of Islam, but convincing me that Islam is a dirty religion does not lie in the question "Do you have evidence to support your allegations", but rather lies in the credibility of your source/sources. The website that you posted was not a reliable source on Islam at all. Why should I be convinced that Islam is a dirty religion when your source of evidence is biased in the following ways:
1. To start things off smoothly I will ask you a question: Would you look up an article about African American history written by a KKK member? Would you look up an article on Judaism written by a Neo Nazi? Without a doubt the answer for both questions is "no" because there is a huge bias that lies in the author of both articles. Both authors will most definitely rant on about how disgusting, filthy and vile they (the African Americans and Jews) are with facts, but their facts won't be credible due to their bias. The article that you posted is no difference - an Islamaphoebic with "evidence" that Islam is dirty, but all of his evidence was Quranic verses taken out of context. Why are you willing to believe a source filled with lies, yes lies, instead of looking for the most accurate source. To put it simpler, who should know more about Islam, an Imam or a rabbi? An Imam, of course since it is their religion. Now who should know more about Judaism, an Imam or a rabbi? A rabbi. If a Muslim scholar is supposed to know the most about his/her religion then why not you go to a website by a scholar, instead of by an ignorant Islamaphoebic? Here's a website that talks about EVERY, I REPEAT, EVERY single fact, misconception, Quranic verse, Islamic law, and Islamic view on other religions there is out there. It's extremely credible because it was made by a scholar and it deals with every category of Islam that a non Muslim would love to hear about. Here's the link:
http://sultan.org/
Don't make an excuse to not go on that website because I was brave enough to go on the website that you posted despite the fact that I knew it would humiliate my religion, I still went on it to learn more from your side, so you should do the same for mine.
2. Those verses are quoted out of context, but If you go to
this link:
http://askamufti.com/
you can ask a question about Islam that you want and get an answer. All you do is click on the "Ask a question" box, which you can't miss. Then you put your email address and just ask any question you want about a verse that you don't understand and they'll explain it to you. I'm no mufti/scholar so going on that website will do a better job of receiving answers to why the Quran says some of the stuff it says, but this time the verses won't be taken out of context.
3. Almost all religions believe in a concept of heaven and hell for those who deny their own religion and for those who follow it. It's not just Islam, but other religions also
First, I'll address that supposedly biased site faithfreedom.org. It doesn't matter what site I would've picked, those quotes are the same on every site that is critical of Islam. You would've called it biased no matter what. So I'll ask you: can you point me to a site that offers, in your eyes, constructive criticism of Islam? You can't, because you hold on to the dogma that Islam is flawless because of its supposed divinity. I've heard it a hundred times before.
Now then, you say:
"Would you look up an article about African American history written by a KKK member? Would you look up an article on Judaism written by a Neo Nazi? Without a doubt the answer for both questions is "no"."
You've got it backwards. The question should be: would I look up an article about the KKK written by a KKK member? Would I look up an article on Judaism written by an Ortodox Zionist? Would I look up an article about Islam written by a Muslim?
As for the quotes being out of context, why don't we look at what the Qur'an has to say about slavery?
"The Qur'an includes multiple references to slaves, slave women, slave concubinage, and the freeing of slaves. It accepts the institution of slavery."
"The Qur'an recognizes the basic inequality between master and slave and the rights of the former over the latter."
"The Qur'an also recognizes concubinage.[18][19] A master may make his female slave as his concubine and, if she is a Muslim, he can marry her.[20] Abstinence however is said to be a better choice.
"Though a free Muslim could not be enslaved, conversion to Islam by a non-Muslim slave did not require that he or she then should be liberated. Slave status was not affected by conversion to Islam"
Before you question the objectivity of my source again, I copied those quotes from Wikipedia. Is that unbiased enough for you? Yet when I went to sultan.org and typed in 'slave' or 'slavery', I got the 'Not found!' message. It seems slavery in Islam is an inconvenient topic that even a website which addresses 'every single fact, view and misconception' about Islam would rather not discuss...
Speaking of which: what's your opinion on the debauchery practiced by Muhammad and his gang?
What about Muhammad marrying the wife of his adopted son? What about fondling a nine year old Aisha? What about his many, many concubines (ie. sex slaves)? Why was Muhammad a hedonistic, sexual glutton and rapist? You'd think that someone who God chose as his spokesman, would show a little restraint.
Some quotes: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran ... x-life.htm
Everything in context as well, just click on the corresponding verse number of each quote.
Lastly, you say: "Almost all religions believe in a concept of heaven and hell for those who deny their own religion and for those who follow it. It's not just Islam, but other religions also."
And since when is that an excuse? When I'm doing something wrong I can't simply justify it by pointing the finger at those who are in the wrong as well.
06 Jul 2011, 12:46 am
Orwell wrote:
Icyclan wrote:
Orwell wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
As Chummy correctly points out, reciting the shahadah is sufficient to make one a muslim.
Well- sort of. From my experience, Muslims are often masters of equivocation. They make it "easy" to become a Muslim, sometimes even easier than reciting the shahadah, and then once someone is convinced that they are a Muslim, they find they must take further steps to conform with that identity. One can become a Muslim merely by reciting the Shahdah, but to remain a Muslim you have to do other things as well.
In theory, yes. You have to adhere to the five pillars of Islam. In practice, however, your fellow muslim doesn't care whether or not you are devout. As long as you call yourself a Muslim, you're a Muslim. You belong to the inner circle and any misdoings are wilfully ignored to maintain the suffocating collectiveness.
Depends on the Muslim. Certainly they will at least count you as Muslim for purposes of claiming a large number of adherents, or a high rate of growth.
Roman Catholic Churches do something similar, they base the number of "Catholics" in a country solely on the basis of baptismal records. However, for some reason they generally don't count Adolf Hitler (who was baptised as a Catholic and never renounced it) as Catholic.
18 Jul 2011, 6:04 pm
blunnet wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Icyclan wrote:
The belief that a celestial dictator is watching you 24/7, and that he sent an epileptic mass murderer to act as his spokesman on earth; when he died, said dictator sent his magic winged horse to fetch said mass murderer and carry him to paradise where he can have 72 grapes and all the young boys he desires.
This sounds more like the Roman Catholic church. This thread is about what makes one Muslim!
(Just kidding, btw!! ! I just couldn't help myself! lol Please don't throw anything at me! [runs and hides])
I thought this sounded like Christianity as a whole.
Christianity is the one about the magic jew zombie.
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21 Jul 2011, 12:20 am
A muslim is one who deny's the theological origins of Islam emminating from the Jews and their Judaism. Their golden era was when they lived side by side with the Jew. They now pin their problems from tourism to water disputes to secular fashion and musical choices of the youth on the evil Jews. Vitriol hate in Yemen? Iraq? Sudan? Syria? To never have to deal with the problems of the middle east and pin everything on Israel and the Jews is to keep this part of the world the commode that it is.
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