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Philologos
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02 Jul 2011, 12:31 am

Bulgarians - wherever they may be - are free to celebrate an American or Kurdish event wherever they may be. If they are celebrating American independence from England, they are doing what some Americans do on the 4th July.

If they set off fireworks on July 4th because they like fireworks or to celebrate Tsar Mihail, they may be doing what some Americans do but it ain't no American holiday.



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02 Jul 2011, 12:35 am

Philologos wrote:
Bulgarians - wherever they may be - are free to celebrate an American or Kurdish event wherever they may be. If they are celebrating American independence from England, they are doing what some Americans do on the 4th July.

If they set off fireworks on July 4th because they like fireworks or to celebrate Tsar Mihail, they may be doing what some Americans do but it ain't no American holiday.


do you think most people that celebrate christmas are firm believers in christ?

concepts, words and their meaning change over time, as does tradition, what might have been christian (but didnt start that way) once, aint neccesarily anymore.


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02 Jul 2011, 1:33 am

I'm a happily married Atheist. I was raised Presbyterian, my wife is was raised Christian as well, but now is somewhere between Christian and Agnostic. Our wedding was technically religious as both of our family's are Christian and it was respectful to them for it to include aspects of their religion. I don't think it was wrong for us to have a wedding that made mention of religious beliefs that may not be ours as it maintained peace in the families. We did however make sure our actual vows where neutral and made no mention of the supernatural, and no one seemed to really notice, not even the minister. Regardless of what our service contained, we are as legally married as any other couple.



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02 Jul 2011, 4:35 am

Philologos wrote:
If they are celebrating American independence from England, they are doing what some Americans do on the 4th July.

But you don't consider it a genuine American celebration because they aren't American?

Oodain wrote:
do you think most people that celebrate christmas are firm believers in christ?

Of course not. Why would I?

Oodain wrote:
concepts, words and their meaning change over time, as does tradition, what might have been christian (but didnt start that way) once, aint neccesarily anymore.

Philologos wrote:
If they set off fireworks on July 4th because they like fireworks or to celebrate Tsar Mihail, they may be doing what some Americans do but it ain't no American holiday.

Okay, fair points.



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02 Jul 2011, 8:50 am

Oodain wrote:
do you think most people that celebrate christmas are firm believers in christ?.


Of course not. The vast majority are having a fun and tradition-keeping at Yuletide. Is that not part of the point I was trying to make?

Yes, customs and laguage change over time, but I do not get how that fits the point.

Are you trying to say that Hallmark Santa Claus Krissmus IS Christmas and Rejoice our savior came to the world Christ Mass is NOT Christmas? I cannot make anything else come close to fit.

Me, I would prefer to say that Hallmark and the decline of Christianity have given us a new and nonChristian celebration existing side by side with the Christian memorial, the two confusingly to the outsider sharing one name.



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16 Jul 2011, 11:51 pm

cuz it carries legal weight nowadays...



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02 Aug 2011, 10:24 am

I've always viewed marriage as legal contract, not as a religious sacrament.


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