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20 Jul 2011, 6:11 am

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I doubt they're really that scared of getting cancer, I think they're just self-righteous control freaks.

That's exactly what it is!
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Ah. You must be talking about the Health Nazis.

Did you know there was a heavy duty anti-smoking campaign in Nazi Germany? Der Fuehrer hated smoking and tobacco use.

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20 Jul 2011, 7:29 am

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I doubt they're really that scared of getting cancer, I think they're just self-righteous control freaks.

That's exactly what it is!
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We just don't like the foul stench.

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20 Jul 2011, 7:39 am

pandabear wrote:

Raptor wrote:

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I doubt they're really that scared of getting cancer, I think they're just self-righteous control freaks.

That's exactly what it is!
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We just don't like the foul stench.

Which is nothing compared to a room clearing, eye watering FART.
I've never seen a designated farting area.

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20 Jul 2011, 7:42 am

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Which is nothing compared to a room clearing, eye watering FART.
I've never seen a designated farting area.

Elevators and air-locks.

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20 Jul 2011, 8:06 am

Cigarette smoke is much worse than a fart.

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20 Jul 2011, 9:01 am

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Cigarette smoke is much worse than a fart.

In the long run, but not the short run.

Have you ever been in a crowded elevator when someone lets a stinker loose?

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20 Jul 2011, 9:30 am

No, but I'm sure that a cigarette on an elevator would be much worse.

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20 Jul 2011, 10:36 am

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I doubt they're really that scared of getting cancer, I think they're just self-righteous control freaks.

That's exactly what it is!
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We just don't like the foul stench.

Which is nothing compared to a room clearing, eye watering FART.
I've never seen a designated farting area.

Come on man don't give them anymore ideas. Next thing you know, we're all gonna have to stick carbon filters up our asses before entering a building :lol:

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20 Jul 2011, 10:58 am

It doesn't matter if people are just control freaks rather than worried about their health. Truth is that smoking is a very sh***y self-destructive habit. If you want to ruin your life, try something that doesn't stink or risk other people into dying.

You can't drink at work, there's no reason why you should be able to smoke at work.

And it has nothing to do with the government but with companies actually caring about making the work environment or their publicly accessible areas comfortable for the majority of their workers and their clients. Feel free to destroy your lungs in your own property. So godwining it doesn't really work .

When you are at home feel free to choke, drink, smoke, have some crack, cut your wrists. I don't care.

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and discriminate against these groups.

Discrimination is completely justified when the "groups" discriminated against belong to those groups by complete choice and because of stupidity. All drugs should be legal (including alcohol and cigarettes) , but that doesn't mean you should expect people to hire drunks or junkies, or to love you if you are a drunk junkie.

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I understand if people have issues with smoking indoors or near entrances, but goddamn that should be enough.

and it is enough.

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20 Jul 2011, 5:05 pm

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You can't drink at work, there's no reason why you should be able to smoke at work.

Because drinking at work leads to impaired judgement and coordination.
I've never known smoking tobacco to do that.

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20 Jul 2011, 5:12 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

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and discriminate against these groups.

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I understand if people have issues with smoking indoors or near entrances, but goddamn that should be enough.

and it is enough.

is it anymore sh***y or self destructive than so many other ways of enjoying oneself?

if you only smoked for 5 years and drank for 5 years what do you think would give the most permanent damage? (alcohol, neurotoxic)

what about overwheight people, that is an extremely sh***y habbit of eating too much? not to mention studies show severe overwheight to be much more harmfull than smoking.

the health risk for second hand smoke has time and again been proven to be so small that you should rather worry about car emissions or wood fired stoves if it is your health your worried about, in the nth degree of magnitude.

that being said i still think the owner of any property should have the final say making indoor smoking ban a reality in most large companies anyway, the issue here is not that it is done, but that it is done by law everywhere, no matter context.

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20 Jul 2011, 5:50 pm

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that being said i still think the owner of any property should have the final say making indoor smoking ban a reality in most large companies anyway, the issue here is not that it is done, but that it is done by law everywhere, no matter context.

It is much better if public smoking is outlawed everywhere.

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20 Jul 2011, 6:58 pm

My thoughts from another post in PPR:

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William James and other progressives have pushed that we can have a moral equivalent of war, the idea is that - if we can have a war other then actual war, that we can get people to rally around the state, to get people to drop their individual pursuits, to drop their free associations.

The conservative opinion is that all of these in one way or another are just more ways for the state to claim authority over another aspect of life. You have to behave as if we are in a war, we are being invaded by a common enemy. Climate change is one, there's the war on drugs, heterosexual aids is another, there's the war on smoking. (The war on terror doesn't count because that's an actual war with guns, the war on drugs qualifies domestically though.)

Whether these issues are real or valid is not the point, they are wars in which is sold as affecting everyone, and require us to drop our free associations and our ideological labels so that we can all unite and move forward with pragmatic and constructive action.

That is the spirit that animates the anti-smoking movement.

They weren't happy that people didn't take the horrific pictures of people suffering from their choice to smoke so they had to somehow make everyone, regardless of whether they smoked or not, feel a connection to this war, and immorally pushed second hand smoke as an equal killer. The studies have not been conclusive, and perhaps then we need more studies, but this is just another attempt by the left to use scientific means for moral ends...

Cancer is a part of the human condition or in other words, it is built into the human being. Over-arching bans will not decrease cancer, and if they do, so what... we have a right to bars, hotels, and restaurants that allow smoking - or that they should be allowed or made legal.

I do smoke, occasionally, it tends to be after work or socially when I'm out with family or friends. I don't feel any need to smoke when I'm at home or not doing anything. I get a release, my nerves are relaxed, and I'm happy - or as happy as I would be by myself at a cafe or in my apartment on my laptop posting on WP. We weren't made to live forever, I'd rather live a life where I enjoy a few vices in moderation and live to 70 then to live a less enjoyable life to 100.

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20 Jul 2011, 7:46 pm

And, the elimination of public smoking makes my life much more enjoyable.

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20 Jul 2011, 7:55 pm

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You can't drink at work, there's no reason why you should be able to smoke at work.

Because drinking at work leads to impaired judgement and coordination.
I've never known smoking tobacco to do that.

No one cares. Smoking is dumb and unlikeable. Companies are entitled to add whatever requirement they wish to people in their properties and specially to people that work for them.

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is it anymore sh***y or self destructive than so many other ways of enjoying oneself?

Definitely.

a) It stinks.
b) Unlike alcohol/eating/choking it intoxicates other people.

public smoking is akin in its health hazardous condition to public pooping. Why are pseudortarians not defending public pooping?

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20 Jul 2011, 8:07 pm

"pseudortarians"?

We cannot be free from mobtalk?

What is that supposed to mean and why not say whatever it is you DO mean?

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