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ruveyn
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19 Aug 2011, 1:28 pm

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Okay. It's just that a lot of people feel that the word Goyim is somehow disparaging.

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In a way it is. Not everyone is lucky enough to be Jewish.

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19 Aug 2011, 1:35 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Okay. It's just that a lot of people feel that the word Goyim is somehow disparaging.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


In a way it is. Not everyone is lucky enough to be Jewish.

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Smile when you say that, buster! :lol:

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19 Aug 2011, 2:13 pm

Okay, Perry now scares me just as much as Bachmann. Does anybody else find it ironic (in a frightening sort of way) how he wants to change the original articles (specifically Article III) of the Constitution to restore the original principals of the founding fathers? Wasn't that article one of the ORIGINAL principles of the founding fathers? I find it sickening how these idiots invoke the desires of the founding fathers (desires that only reflect Conservative desires after extensive historical revisionism) to justify imposing reactionary (if not totalitarian) policies on everyone else. The founding fathers were a bunch of oligarchic slaveowners who thought only the elite white male property owners should have the right to suffrage. If they're really serious about restoring the country to those principles, they'll have to revoke the reforms made by Jackson, Lincoln, Wilson, and Johnson (well, they are openly opposed to LBJ's reforms--that much is certain).

Bare in mind, although Jefferson wasn't successful in getting slavery abolished in his time, he hoped that future generations would abolish it should the time come that they could no longer tolerate such an institution. I'm not sure he believed in the infallibility of a handful of lawmakers who have long since died.



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19 Aug 2011, 2:20 pm

TheSnarkKnight wrote:
Okay, Perry now scares me just as much as Bachmann. Does anybody else find it ironic (in a frightening sort of way) how he wants to change the original articles (specifically Article III) of the Constitution to restore the original principals of the founding fathers? Wasn't that article one of the ORIGINAL principles of the founding fathers? I find it sickening how these idiots invoke the desires of the founding fathers (desires that only reflect Conservative desires after extensive historical revisionism) to justify imposing reactionary (if not totalitarian) policies on everyone else. The founding fathers were a bunch of oligarchic slaveowners who thought only the elite white male property owners should have the right to suffrage. If they're really serious about restoring the country to those principles, they'll have to revoke the reforms made by Jackson, Lincoln, Wilson, and Johnson (well, they are openly opposed to LBJ's reforms--that much is certain).


You forgot FDR as one of those presidents whose reforms the loony right wants to extinguish.

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19 Aug 2011, 2:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
TheSnarkKnight wrote:
Okay, Perry now scares me just as much as Bachmann. Does anybody else find it ironic (in a frightening sort of way) how he wants to change the original articles (specifically Article III) of the Constitution to restore the original principals of the founding fathers? Wasn't that article one of the ORIGINAL principles of the founding fathers? I find it sickening how these idiots invoke the desires of the founding fathers (desires that only reflect Conservative desires after extensive historical revisionism) to justify imposing reactionary (if not totalitarian) policies on everyone else. The founding fathers were a bunch of oligarchic slaveowners who thought only the elite white male property owners should have the right to suffrage. If they're really serious about restoring the country to those principles, they'll have to revoke the reforms made by Jackson, Lincoln, Wilson, and Johnson (well, they are openly opposed to LBJ's reforms--that much is certain).


You forgot FDR as one of those presidents whose reforms the loony right wants to extinguish.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


My bad. I was focusing on social reforms and not public welfare projects.