The "Class Warfare" Canard
Kraichgauer
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marshall wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
The lowering or stagnating income levels for Americans is a result of downsizing, outsourcing....the whole "global economy" scam shipping all the good paying manufacturing jobs to 3rd world nations and leaving those dislocated workers scrambling for new employment (but new jobs aren't being created). Most all dislocated workers wind up taking a new job with lower pay and benefits than where they last worked.
Yes it probably is.....and that would be a problem, but no one seems to want to do much about it.
Besides blaming Obama and librul big gubbermint.
Aw, but that would only leave the morally upstanding corporations and the small gub'ment Republicans who'd rather care for the rich than those really in need, to blame. And we all know that they're beyond reproach!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Orwell wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Might be bad form to refer to such people as "lucky ducks," but the point is valid. About 51% of the population does not pay any federal income tax due to income level and other factors (such as the Earned Income Credit which can negate a tax liability otherwise owed).
Lies. That number was 47% last year. It has never once been over 50%. The peak level was 49% under George W Bush.
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Now, if you don't pay any federal income tax, how demanding should you be for more and more government programs? Do you not realize that since YOU are not paying for it, and about 51% of everyone else is not paying for it, how fair is it to demand more knowing the remaining 49% ARE paying for it?
They still pay taxes. They still pay sales taxes and social security withholding, both of which are regressive taxes. And this is an idiotic, asinine assessment of the situation anyways. Obviously people who are benefited by social welfare programs are not paying for those programs. The whole point of those programs is that these people are not in a position where they can get by on their own.
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We are in an interesting place as a nation. Everyone has a "right" to vote, but now more than half of all potential voters do not pay into the system but will respond to promises to get stuff back from the system.
And here we get into part of the motivation for your lying distortion of the numbers. More demonization of the poor. This is probably why you think arguments for progressive taxation are motivated by "class warfare" or "resentment." You're projecting.
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(hence why the USA is a republic and not a democracy).
Those two terms are not mutually exclusive. We are both a republic and a democracy. Learn real political theory rather than BS right-wing talking points.
Crosses the line.
Dox47 wrote:
Several people seem to have misread my statement, so I'll put out a blanket clarification in lieu of answering each individual post.
Merely arguing for progressive taxation is not "class warfare", using an emotional argument that relies on jealousy and envy instead to whip up ill will towards the better off in order to get people to resent their success is. It's arguing Nancy Grace style, get people worked up enough and they won't care what the facts are as long as the object of their ire is punished, or not in that case.
Merely arguing for progressive taxation is not "class warfare", using an emotional argument that relies on jealousy and envy instead to whip up ill will towards the better off in order to get people to resent their success is. It's arguing Nancy Grace style, get people worked up enough and they won't care what the facts are as long as the object of their ire is punished, or not in that case.
I agree. Its the methods used.
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Nil_Nil wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Several people seem to have misread my statement, so I'll put out a blanket clarification in lieu of answering each individual post.
Merely arguing for progressive taxation is not "class warfare", using an emotional argument that relies on jealousy and envy instead to whip up ill will towards the better off in order to get people to resent their success is. It's arguing Nancy Grace style, get people worked up enough and they won't care what the facts are as long as the object of their ire is punished, or not in that case.
Merely arguing for progressive taxation is not "class warfare", using an emotional argument that relies on jealousy and envy instead to whip up ill will towards the better off in order to get people to resent their success is. It's arguing Nancy Grace style, get people worked up enough and they won't care what the facts are as long as the object of their ire is punished, or not in that case.
I agree. Its the methods used.
But conservatives are now playing the victim card, claiming that never before have the producer class been so vilified by the "moocher" class. Definitely, hostility is being whipped up against poor people.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
