Which Republican do you presently prefer for 2012?
Ron Paul. He tells the truth and doesn't change his opinion to pander.
I can't stand the way the media excludes him even though he wins. He is electable and the fact that people keep calling his supporters "cults" is rather gullible considering Ron Paul isn't brainwashing people but opening their eyes to the corruption our Country is in. Tell me. Why do we still have bases in Germany when World War Two has been over for quite some time and Germany is in stable condition.
So people want to label the constitution as "old and outdated" or "just a piece of paper" yet these military bases occupying other people's lands are in fact old and should have expired long ago.
People don't understand that America is more about Freedom than false security blankets. Isn't a shame that you don't have an option at the airports to not be violated through pat downs or graphic images of your body scanned? Is our country better off as a fascist nation or a free nation?
How would any of us feel if someone came into our homes and gunned down our loved ones because someone suspected falsely there was a threat? Nobody is held responsible in such cases and you are just supposed to suck it up. Would you like other countries military bases on our soil? Would you want them gone?
Why is it in America violence is acceptable and normalized? Peace is not and if you mention it, you are nuts? Okay...I think the ones who claim those who talk peace as nuts have a twisted view of what nutty really means.
The media lies. What are they so scared of?
Ron Paul (Jon Stewart's take)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb5aGgQXhXo[/youtube]
Also to ADD. Those who are SERVING in the military have donated to Ron Paul...why isn't that message spreading?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... nations-/1
Paul's campaign told Politifact that Paul raised $34,480 from people in the military, compared with $19,849 for Obama and $13,848 for the other GOP presidential candidates.
Yeah some "cult".
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Another debate, huh? Do you have a link to the vid?
Yea it was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer tonight. Terribly biased. They asked every candidate whether they'd want to audit and or end the fed EXCEPT Ron Paul who literally wrote the book on it. Even the crowd was like wtf when that happened.
I imagine you can find it on youtube if you look but it being replayed on CNN in 15 minutes at, here at least. 2am where you at.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vpQzh3hbGI part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk8MEjRKEnw part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XnplPlZS40 part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb6aAiJUp9w part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77_h1myeX5E part 5
whole thing i think dunno if they'll take it down .
Another debate, huh? Do you have a link to the vid?
I don't see him winning many more debates than Bush did on technical points, but I don't think his supporters are going to care much, as long as he meets most of the party line, and the Republican polls continue to suggest that he is the canidate that has the best chance of beating Obama.
I think the concensus from news reports, suggests he held his own, but he obviously didn't win the debate from a technical standpoint; the only real heart burn that any of the audience had was his comment on immigrants enrolling in State Colleges.
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The associated press headlined He held his own, and USA Today, suggested he did not significantly retreat in defense of his views.
From USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-09-12/Social-Security-GOP-debate-Tea-Party/50377310/1
Perry, the latecomer who shot to the top of national polls when he announced his candidacy just last month, moderated his tone on Social Security and in another case conceded an error. But he didn't fundamentally retreat from his views, setting up a fierce battle for the nomination against President Obama next year.
Associated Press:
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110913/NEWS03/309139944/1066/NEWS03
CHARLES BABINGTON | Associated Press
TAMPA, Fla. – Attacked from all sides by fellow Republicans, Texas Gov. Rick Perry softened his rhetoric if not his position on Social Security in a snarky presidential campaign debate Monday night. He fended off assaults on his record creating jobs and requiring the vaccination of schoolgirls against a cancer-causing sexually transmitted virus.
I agree Bush was better at debates than he was with the teleprompter.
While Perry's defense of his stance on hispanic immigration didn't go over well with the audience tonight, it might earn some votes from the fastest growing demographic in the US. The Hispanic support that Bush received made a difference in the Bush-Gore election. And, there wasn't much difference that was needed in Florida.
Perry seems to match the Republican voter temperment. Angry. That may resonate well for Republicans on general election day in motivation to go to the polls, if the economy doesn't change for the better from now until then. Is the economy going to get better? Not likely I think.
Possibly for the House and Senate as well.
I would never vote for Perry in any election. But he has potential demographic advantages, that the other front runners, namely Bachman and Romney, don't possess.
History at times repeats itself: anger at Clinton, a Texas Govenor, and the Hispanic vote in 2000. Greater anger at Obama, a Texas Govenor, and the Hispanic vote for 2012.
Why is it in America violence is acceptable and normalized? Peace is not and if you mention it, you are nuts? Okay...I think the ones who claim those who talk peace as nuts have a twisted view of what nutty really means.
Our political establishment has stumbled into a philosophical and moral trap. A veritable tar-baby. We have become trapped in The Forever War.
The current Republic was born of war; i.e. the Civil War and has never gotten away from war.
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From USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-09-12/Social-Security-GOP-debate-Tea-Party/50377310/1
Perry, the latecomer who shot to the top of national polls when he announced his candidacy just last month, moderated his tone on Social Security and in another case conceded an error. But he didn't fundamentally retreat from his views, setting up a fierce battle for the nomination against President Obama next year.
Associated Press:
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110913/NEWS03/309139944/1066/NEWS03
CHARLES BABINGTON | Associated Press
TAMPA, Fla. – Attacked from all sides by fellow Republicans, Texas Gov. Rick Perry softened his rhetoric if not his position on Social Security in a snarky presidential campaign debate Monday night. He fended off assaults on his record creating jobs and requiring the vaccination of schoolgirls against a cancer-causing sexually transmitted virus.
I agree Bush was better at debates than he was with the teleprompter.
While Perry's defense of his stance on hispanic immigration didn't go over well with the audience tonight, it might earn some votes from the fastest growing demographic in the US. The Hispanic support that Bush received made a difference in the Bush-Gore election. And, there wasn't much difference that was needed in Florida.
Perry seems to match the Republican voter temperment. Angry. That may resonate well for Republicans on general election day in motivation to go to the polls, if the economy doesn't change for the better from now until then. Is the economy going to get better? Not likely I think.
Possibly for the House and Senate as well.
I would never vote for Perry in any election. But he has potential demographic advantages, that the other front runners, namely Bachman and Romney, don't possess.
History at times repeats itself: anger at Clinton, a Texas Govenor, and the Hispanic vote in 2000. Greater anger at Obama, a Texas Govenor, and the Hispanic vote for 2012.
That just goes to show you how bias the media is. They seem determined to make this only a Romney/Perry race. Watch the debate and see for yourself how he did.
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(West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
was Convicted, and retired)
His remarks about Keith Ellison were bigoted to the extreme.
and he voted to extend the "patriot" act.
the Guy is a real nut job.
I do not see why Allen West should not be just as cruel as nature.
Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.
Allen West is a Patriot.
Any military whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.
Allen West took the fight to the Terrorists I have no sympathy for them so what he did was.
Justified and for the greater good of america only the weak feel sorry for the emeny.
Keep in mind that Allen West is a black conservative and a war veteran.
This is an abomination to the left since it breaks the mold they have set.
If he were to run for president he'd get my vote.
I could care less what he did or didn't do to any terrorist in Iraq and in reality neither do his enemies in this thread, it's just that they have to have some kind of dirt.........
I agree Raptor why would anyone feel mercy or remorse for the enemy why is it always the left
that shows sympathy for the terrorists they attacked our nation this war we are in its not about
its about protecting the western civilization from future terrorist attacks if they didnt attack us
we wouldnt have declared war in the first place
From USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-09-12/Social-Security-GOP-debate-Tea-Party/50377310/1
Perry, the latecomer who shot to the top of national polls when he announced his candidacy just last month, moderated his tone on Social Security and in another case conceded an error. But he didn't fundamentally retreat from his views, setting up a fierce battle for the nomination against President Obama next year.
Associated Press:
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110913/NEWS03/309139944/1066/NEWS03
CHARLES BABINGTON | Associated Press
TAMPA, Fla. – Attacked from all sides by fellow Republicans, Texas Gov. Rick Perry softened his rhetoric if not his position on Social Security in a snarky presidential campaign debate Monday night. He fended off assaults on his record creating jobs and requiring the vaccination of schoolgirls against a cancer-causing sexually transmitted virus.
I agree Bush was better at debates than he was with the teleprompter.
While Perry's defense of his stance on hispanic immigration didn't go over well with the audience tonight, it might earn some votes from the fastest growing demographic in the US. The Hispanic support that Bush received made a difference in the Bush-Gore election. And, there wasn't much difference that was needed in Florida.
Perry seems to match the Republican voter temperment. Angry. That may resonate well for Republicans on general election day in motivation to go to the polls, if the economy doesn't change for the better from now until then. Is the economy going to get better? Not likely I think.
Possibly for the House and Senate as well.
I would never vote for Perry in any election. But he has potential demographic advantages, that the other front runners, namely Bachman and Romney, don't possess.
History at times repeats itself: anger at Clinton, a Texas Govenor, and the Hispanic vote in 2000. Greater anger at Obama, a Texas Govenor, and the Hispanic vote for 2012.
That just goes to show you how bias the media is. They seem determined to make this only a Romney/Perry race. Watch the debate and see for yourself how he did.
I saw the video, and appears clear to me that in this case Romney was the political winner of this debate. Paul is obviously the smartest guy in the room, but it appears that this is not what it takes to be the Republican nominee for President.
Although there were no clear winners identified in the debate, in the headlines I saw yesterday, the headlines today are suggesting that Perry is making Romney into a more formidable canidate. That is as close a statement as I have seen as to, which canidate gained political points for the debate. The coming polls may provide a better answer.
Political debates aren't judged on technical merit, alone, if they were Paul would probably win every debate. Alot of this stuff is judged on physical presentation and reaction from the audience. The most important aspect of this type of debate, is personality not substance. Perhaps the clearest example of this was seen in the Gore/Bush debates.
Research suggests that people are influenced in their decisions by emotion more than logic when they are buying into a product, in this case the product is a politician. I find Paul's intellect appealing, but it appears that he does not gain as much notice because he lacks the emotional appeal and attention that the front runners, are receiving from both supporters and the media.
Most people don't even pay attention to these debates, they look at who is considered popular in their particular herd, and follow them right into the election booth. There aren't enough potential herd members in the voting public, to support the appeal of Paul, as far as I can see. I'm not suggesting the herd mentality is good, but in a population of over 300 million, where most everything is commercialized to sell, it appears that this is what we have.
There are those presidents that were elected, before the advent of mass media, for their intellect, that would have never had a chance, today, because of lack of emotional appeal seen by the general public. I doubt Lincoln would have stood a chance. That I think is a sad but true comment on our culture.
(West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
was Convicted, and retired)
His remarks about Keith Ellison were bigoted to the extreme.
and he voted to extend the "patriot" act.
the Guy is a real nut job.
I do not see why Allen West should not be just as cruel as nature.
Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.
Allen West is a Patriot.
Any military whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.
Allen West took the fight to the Terrorists I have no sympathy for them so what he did was.
Justified and for the greater good of america only the weak feel sorry for the emeny.
Keep in mind that Allen West is a black conservative and a war veteran.
This is an abomination to the left since it breaks the mold they have set.
If he were to run for president he'd get my vote.
I could care less what he did or didn't do to any terrorist in Iraq and in reality neither do his enemies in this thread, it's just that they have to have some kind of dirt.........
No, conservatives don't get racial-inclusiveness brownie points for supporting authoritarian psychopaths who happen to be black.
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Really disappointing bench. Romeny looks like the best, something about Perry just inherently bothers me (ie. I get the impression he'd be a real embarassment to the people who voted for him), and the sad truth about Romney seems to be that the bible belt would rather cast a vote for Obama than a Mormon.
With any luck I'm not having kids, hate to see Rome burn but if all I can do is play the fiddle while it all comes down then so be it.
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